1 00:00:30,950 --> 00:00:28,450 [Music] 2 00:00:34,130 --> 00:00:30,960 thank you 3 00:00:37,370 --> 00:00:34,140 welcome everybody back to disclosure 4 00:00:40,190 --> 00:00:37,380 team I am Vinnie I'm with my wonderful 5 00:00:42,709 --> 00:00:40,200 co-host Katie Katie how are you 6 00:00:47,030 --> 00:00:42,719 I'm doing great especially because we 7 00:00:49,549 --> 00:00:47,040 have an amazing setup of Gus today 8 00:00:51,369 --> 00:00:49,559 I know right this is something I've been 9 00:00:54,410 --> 00:00:51,379 looking forward to since it was even 10 00:00:56,270 --> 00:00:54,420 considered and here we are it's just an 11 00:00:58,610 --> 00:00:56,280 amazing feeling 12 00:01:00,950 --> 00:00:58,620 um I will say though before we bring uh 13 00:01:02,990 --> 00:01:00,960 our two guests on a couple of house 14 00:01:05,090 --> 00:01:03,000 rules as always everybody in the live 15 00:01:06,710 --> 00:01:05,100 chat thank you so much for being here I 16 00:01:08,330 --> 00:01:06,720 really appreciate it 17 00:01:09,890 --> 00:01:08,340 um if you could just keep the chat cool 18 00:01:12,109 --> 00:01:09,900 calm and collected we would really 19 00:01:14,030 --> 00:01:12,119 appreciate that we appreciate that 20 00:01:16,490 --> 00:01:14,040 everybody has differences of opinion but 21 00:01:18,710 --> 00:01:16,500 we can still be respectful and and 22 00:01:21,410 --> 00:01:18,720 that's that's that so yeah 23 00:01:23,570 --> 00:01:21,420 um I I'm gonna say it I am dealing with 24 00:01:24,830 --> 00:01:23,580 some pain right now I have a trap nerve 25 00:01:27,050 --> 00:01:24,840 in my shoulder hence the hot water 26 00:01:29,510 --> 00:01:27,060 bottle if I seem a little bit off at any 27 00:01:31,070 --> 00:01:29,520 point during the interview that's why 28 00:01:32,749 --> 00:01:31,080 um but I've got my wonderful co-host 29 00:01:35,390 --> 00:01:32,759 here all there 30 00:01:36,830 --> 00:01:35,400 keep things rolling and yeah Katie 31 00:01:38,630 --> 00:01:36,840 anything you want to say before we uh 32 00:01:42,170 --> 00:01:38,640 bring our guests on 33 00:01:43,969 --> 00:01:42,180 no I just want to uh welcome them both I 34 00:01:46,850 --> 00:01:43,979 think we haven't had the pleasure of 35 00:01:49,310 --> 00:01:46,860 having Tyler yet on a UFO podcast if I 36 00:01:51,590 --> 00:01:49,320 if I'm correct and so it's so great to 37 00:01:52,789 --> 00:01:51,600 have Tyler and Dr Nolan here together 38 00:01:54,469 --> 00:01:52,799 they're 39 00:01:55,789 --> 00:01:54,479 um some of the most Brilliant Minds in 40 00:01:58,490 --> 00:01:55,799 our community and also some of the 41 00:02:00,230 --> 00:01:58,500 nicest people too so uh thank you both 42 00:02:02,149 --> 00:02:00,240 for being here let's bring them in let's 43 00:02:05,569 --> 00:02:02,159 bring them let's bring them in please 44 00:02:07,550 --> 00:02:05,579 welcome Tyler Henry and Gary Nolan 45 00:02:10,249 --> 00:02:07,560 hey guys 46 00:02:13,130 --> 00:02:10,259 hi hi thank you for having us I'm really 47 00:02:14,690 --> 00:02:13,140 excited to delve in today yes same as 48 00:02:16,670 --> 00:02:14,700 well and I apologize for reaching over 49 00:02:18,589 --> 00:02:16,680 I've got to try to print something so 50 00:02:21,650 --> 00:02:18,599 yes great to see you all 51 00:02:24,530 --> 00:02:21,660 great to have you guys so much 52 00:02:27,710 --> 00:02:24,540 absolutely absolutely Katie I'm gonna 53 00:02:29,930 --> 00:02:27,720 let you kick start the proceedings off 54 00:02:32,089 --> 00:02:29,940 excellent so let's Dive Right In I want 55 00:02:34,550 --> 00:02:32,099 to remind everyone that we're gonna take 56 00:02:37,430 --> 00:02:34,560 it a little Consciousness a little woo 57 00:02:39,170 --> 00:02:37,440 so we hope that you guys will allow us 58 00:02:42,350 --> 00:02:39,180 to kind of go on this fun speculative 59 00:02:44,570 --> 00:02:42,360 Journey here and to kick it off I'd like 60 00:02:47,570 --> 00:02:44,580 to talk about some what I call neuro 61 00:02:50,330 --> 00:02:47,580 spicy brains uh you know so brains that 62 00:02:52,729 --> 00:02:50,340 fall out of that typical middle chunk of 63 00:02:54,949 --> 00:02:52,739 the bell curve so to say and they are 64 00:02:57,830 --> 00:02:54,959 kind of a big question mark in UFO world 65 00:03:00,470 --> 00:02:57,840 uh Gary you've spoken a few times about 66 00:03:03,350 --> 00:03:00,480 your research with individuals who have 67 00:03:05,030 --> 00:03:03,360 diverse neurotypes and Tyler you've even 68 00:03:06,949 --> 00:03:05,040 had your brain scanned to kind of look 69 00:03:09,470 --> 00:03:06,959 at how it functions 70 00:03:12,710 --> 00:03:09,480 um and I'm really curious to hear what 71 00:03:15,649 --> 00:03:12,720 role you both think that individual and 72 00:03:17,869 --> 00:03:15,659 atypical neurotypes may play when it 73 00:03:20,530 --> 00:03:17,879 comes to contact with the broader 74 00:03:26,089 --> 00:03:23,630 uh Tyler why don't you start oh my 75 00:03:27,649 --> 00:03:26,099 goodness we have an honor I think 76 00:03:29,270 --> 00:03:27,659 different people conjure different 77 00:03:30,890 --> 00:03:29,280 results and one of the beautiful things 78 00:03:32,509 --> 00:03:30,900 about this work is I've seen how much 79 00:03:34,309 --> 00:03:32,519 diversity there is in the human 80 00:03:36,530 --> 00:03:34,319 experience and in how people connect 81 00:03:38,930 --> 00:03:36,540 with their own intuition some naturally 82 00:03:40,729 --> 00:03:38,940 more than others um I found in my work 83 00:03:42,890 --> 00:03:40,739 that I believe there's something to be 84 00:03:44,809 --> 00:03:42,900 said about thick boundary people and 85 00:03:46,670 --> 00:03:44,819 thin boundary people and 86 00:03:48,170 --> 00:03:46,680 anthropologically the work that's been 87 00:03:50,809 --> 00:03:48,180 done on trying to get an understanding 88 00:03:53,809 --> 00:03:50,819 of what that entails I think speaks to 89 00:03:56,570 --> 00:03:53,819 people's receptivity often to connect to 90 00:04:00,890 --> 00:03:56,580 maybe those paranormal Realms or that 91 00:04:06,410 --> 00:04:03,710 I look at it as let's say a scientist or 92 00:04:08,030 --> 00:04:06,420 a geneticist as the the diversity as 93 00:04:10,670 --> 00:04:08,040 evolution in play 94 00:04:14,449 --> 00:04:10,680 right that you know you need a diverse 95 00:04:17,509 --> 00:04:14,459 uh number of types of people to deal 96 00:04:19,550 --> 00:04:17,519 with the complexity of the world 97 00:04:22,069 --> 00:04:19,560 um but if everybody were to think the 98 00:04:24,710 --> 00:04:22,079 same way uh for instance if everybody 99 00:04:27,230 --> 00:04:24,720 was a warrior then all we would be doing 100 00:04:29,629 --> 00:04:27,240 is fighting but I think especially and 101 00:04:32,510 --> 00:04:29,639 as it relates to the kind of discussion 102 00:04:34,730 --> 00:04:32,520 that I think we'll have here today 103 00:04:36,110 --> 00:04:34,740 um the diverse neurotypes that is in 104 00:04:37,850 --> 00:04:36,120 fact the ones that I'm most interested 105 00:04:41,870 --> 00:04:37,860 in are the so-called shamans or the 106 00:04:44,749 --> 00:04:41,880 priests or those who connect to that uh 107 00:04:46,610 --> 00:04:44,759 let's say less observable realm that is 108 00:04:49,969 --> 00:04:46,620 something which is sort of supernature 109 00:04:52,550 --> 00:04:49,979 or or Beyond nature and collecting 110 00:04:55,070 --> 00:04:52,560 information from that and using it for 111 00:04:57,650 --> 00:04:55,080 the more material aspects of The Human 112 00:05:00,110 --> 00:04:57,660 Condition and so I've always been 113 00:05:01,610 --> 00:05:00,120 interested first of all in where this 114 00:05:04,249 --> 00:05:01,620 information comes from 115 00:05:08,450 --> 00:05:04,259 right uh some call it the akashic record 116 00:05:11,930 --> 00:05:08,460 or something like that uh but how do 117 00:05:14,030 --> 00:05:11,940 certain people accomplish this right how 118 00:05:15,950 --> 00:05:14,040 and where does information come from 119 00:05:17,749 --> 00:05:15,960 over there 120 00:05:20,270 --> 00:05:17,759 in a from a place that we don't 121 00:05:23,990 --> 00:05:20,280 understand what the information is and 122 00:05:25,790 --> 00:05:24,000 how it's organized to overhear uh into a 123 00:05:28,430 --> 00:05:25,800 place where let's say a scientist thinks 124 00:05:29,990 --> 00:05:28,440 of neurophysical connections and brain 125 00:05:32,870 --> 00:05:30,000 waves and things like that that 126 00:05:36,350 --> 00:05:32,880 somewhere there's a connection and 127 00:05:38,210 --> 00:05:36,360 and we seem to see that it passes in 128 00:05:40,249 --> 00:05:38,220 families at times so that means there's 129 00:05:42,830 --> 00:05:40,259 like a there's an architecture or a 130 00:05:46,249 --> 00:05:42,840 blueprint in the genes that enables this 131 00:05:47,749 --> 00:05:46,259 so I'm fascinated it hypothesizes and 132 00:05:50,510 --> 00:05:47,759 spec it you know the speculation is that 133 00:05:52,670 --> 00:05:50,520 this is how it it operates 134 00:05:55,070 --> 00:05:52,680 so that's absolutely 135 00:05:56,450 --> 00:05:55,080 on it 136 00:05:58,670 --> 00:05:56,460 well and he brought up an interesting 137 00:06:00,409 --> 00:05:58,680 point Gary about the uh trying to 138 00:06:02,450 --> 00:06:00,419 understand where it comes from and and 139 00:06:04,790 --> 00:06:02,460 Tyler I'm interested in your take as 140 00:06:05,930 --> 00:06:04,800 someone who regularly interacts with the 141 00:06:07,730 --> 00:06:05,940 other side 142 00:06:09,590 --> 00:06:07,740 um whatever you want to call it you know 143 00:06:12,170 --> 00:06:09,600 how you see it you know people talk 144 00:06:14,990 --> 00:06:12,180 about the akashic record or quantum foam 145 00:06:17,150 --> 00:06:15,000 or you know literal heaven or or whatnot 146 00:06:18,770 --> 00:06:17,160 and I'm really curious how in in your 147 00:06:21,650 --> 00:06:18,780 mind you 148 00:06:23,629 --> 00:06:21,660 um you envision that and what it what it 149 00:06:25,550 --> 00:06:23,639 kind of appears to you as 150 00:06:26,870 --> 00:06:25,560 absolutely well in my second book here 151 00:06:28,550 --> 00:06:26,880 and Hereafter I actually recently 152 00:06:30,710 --> 00:06:28,560 dedicated a whole chapter to that very 153 00:06:32,809 --> 00:06:30,720 thing this idea that we may not always 154 00:06:35,390 --> 00:06:32,819 have to have an understanding of who the 155 00:06:37,129 --> 00:06:35,400 sign senders are as much as there's 156 00:06:38,510 --> 00:06:37,139 value in recognizing the signs 157 00:06:40,129 --> 00:06:38,520 themselves if you talk to different 158 00:06:41,990 --> 00:06:40,139 people they'll acknowledge different 159 00:06:43,909 --> 00:06:42,000 things some feel they're connecting to 160 00:06:45,770 --> 00:06:43,919 non-human intelligence other people feel 161 00:06:47,689 --> 00:06:45,780 they're connecting to Spirit guides some 162 00:06:49,610 --> 00:06:47,699 people feel they're only connecting to 163 00:06:51,290 --> 00:06:49,620 Spirits themselves and I've learned in 164 00:06:53,390 --> 00:06:51,300 this work that for me it's less 165 00:06:54,650 --> 00:06:53,400 important about what's giving me the 166 00:06:57,350 --> 00:06:54,660 information and more about the 167 00:06:59,450 --> 00:06:57,360 information itself I find that there's 168 00:07:00,890 --> 00:06:59,460 something to be said about Shamanism its 169 00:07:02,749 --> 00:07:00,900 history in Altered States Of 170 00:07:04,550 --> 00:07:02,759 Consciousness and that perhaps being a 171 00:07:06,950 --> 00:07:04,560 fundamental that allows people to 172 00:07:08,870 --> 00:07:06,960 connect to whatever it may be that they 173 00:07:11,150 --> 00:07:08,880 identify it as 174 00:07:14,230 --> 00:07:11,160 yeah and Jung believed that the the 175 00:07:17,390 --> 00:07:14,240 human mind retains this fundamental 176 00:07:19,930 --> 00:07:17,400 unconscious biological aspects of our 177 00:07:22,370 --> 00:07:19,940 ancestors these primordial images 178 00:07:25,370 --> 00:07:22,380 which he dubbed them as so do you think 179 00:07:28,490 --> 00:07:25,380 that there is some logical foundation in 180 00:07:31,809 --> 00:07:28,500 in that aspect of what he believes 181 00:07:34,490 --> 00:07:31,819 absolutely I mean oh sorry 182 00:07:36,050 --> 00:07:34,500 go ahead oh no no I just think with the 183 00:07:38,210 --> 00:07:36,060 collective unconscious it speaks to that 184 00:07:41,570 --> 00:07:38,220 idea of Carla Young's thoughts 185 00:07:43,330 --> 00:07:41,580 I mean the Mayans had uh a concept 186 00:07:45,890 --> 00:07:43,340 around this as well that was almost 187 00:07:47,469 --> 00:07:45,900 identical to what we today call the 188 00:07:50,390 --> 00:07:47,479 akashic record I mean the akashic record 189 00:07:51,650 --> 00:07:50,400 people often attribute to Hinduism in 190 00:07:55,550 --> 00:07:51,660 fact it's not it's actually a more 191 00:07:57,290 --> 00:07:55,560 recent iteration a theosophy that uh New 192 00:08:00,710 --> 00:07:57,300 Age philosophers have brought together 193 00:08:03,830 --> 00:08:00,720 but it does slightly have a root in the 194 00:08:07,610 --> 00:08:03,840 word Akasha which is from the Sanskrit 195 00:08:11,570 --> 00:08:07,620 which is basically the fundamental uh 196 00:08:13,730 --> 00:08:11,580 field wherein reality and The Ether sits 197 00:08:16,610 --> 00:08:13,740 now it isn't a direct correlation 198 00:08:18,529 --> 00:08:16,620 despite the similarity of the words but 199 00:08:21,469 --> 00:08:18,539 here you have going back as far as 200 00:08:24,469 --> 00:08:21,479 Sanskrit you have the Mayans uh you do 201 00:08:26,330 --> 00:08:24,479 have uh Hinduism having some elements of 202 00:08:28,010 --> 00:08:26,340 this uh and I think there's a couple of 203 00:08:30,650 --> 00:08:28,020 others I was reading about the other day 204 00:08:32,570 --> 00:08:30,660 and so and of course you have today the 205 00:08:35,750 --> 00:08:32,580 the collective of conscious you have the 206 00:08:37,070 --> 00:08:35,760 so-called morphic field ideas 207 00:08:39,469 --> 00:08:37,080 um all of which are pretty much talking 208 00:08:42,589 --> 00:08:39,479 about the same thing again and again and 209 00:08:44,690 --> 00:08:42,599 I think what that says is that humans 210 00:08:46,670 --> 00:08:44,700 are reaching for this concept because 211 00:08:50,389 --> 00:08:46,680 they realize that somewhere at the edge 212 00:08:53,509 --> 00:08:50,399 of the known is this unknown concept 213 00:08:55,490 --> 00:08:53,519 that we're all trying to put to words uh 214 00:08:57,829 --> 00:08:55,500 but what I find fascinating in every 215 00:09:00,230 --> 00:08:57,839 aspect of this that it's always the same 216 00:09:02,750 --> 00:09:00,240 kind of people who are in contact with 217 00:09:04,850 --> 00:09:02,760 it or who are doing the best description 218 00:09:08,810 --> 00:09:04,860 of it and are gathering information 219 00:09:11,329 --> 00:09:08,820 thereby I mean and so all I've ever been 220 00:09:13,370 --> 00:09:11,339 trying to do since I've only had very 221 00:09:15,590 --> 00:09:13,380 limited let's say 222 00:09:19,009 --> 00:09:15,600 um experience personally in those things 223 00:09:21,710 --> 00:09:19,019 is okay how do I convince my fellow 224 00:09:23,449 --> 00:09:21,720 scientists that this is something worth 225 00:09:25,370 --> 00:09:23,459 studying 226 00:09:27,470 --> 00:09:25,380 um you know and I mean there's the 227 00:09:29,269 --> 00:09:27,480 material scientists but there's plenty 228 00:09:31,130 --> 00:09:29,279 of plenty of psychiatrists and 229 00:09:33,050 --> 00:09:31,140 psychologists and even now Quantum 230 00:09:34,430 --> 00:09:33,060 physicists who are more than willing to 231 00:09:36,290 --> 00:09:34,440 say look there's a there's an 232 00:09:39,530 --> 00:09:36,300 information field that we still don't 233 00:09:43,130 --> 00:09:39,540 understand yet so it's just about trying 234 00:09:45,350 --> 00:09:43,140 to get that across the the threshold for 235 00:09:47,750 --> 00:09:45,360 people to say okay now it's how do we 236 00:09:49,130 --> 00:09:47,760 design experiments to look at it you 237 00:09:52,910 --> 00:09:49,140 know because at the end of the day the 238 00:09:55,730 --> 00:09:52,920 the public in general look to For Better 239 00:09:58,430 --> 00:09:55,740 or Worse scientists as the as the 240 00:10:01,910 --> 00:09:58,440 validators of of the at least this 241 00:10:05,750 --> 00:10:04,250 yeah no I I think you bring up some 242 00:10:07,430 --> 00:10:05,760 really great points and one of the 243 00:10:08,930 --> 00:10:07,440 things you touched on that I would love 244 00:10:12,410 --> 00:10:08,940 to kind of dive a little more deeply 245 00:10:14,389 --> 00:10:12,420 into is uh the role of psychedelics 246 00:10:15,170 --> 00:10:14,399 um there's been a lot of research coming 247 00:10:16,790 --> 00:10:15,180 out 248 00:10:19,610 --> 00:10:16,800 um actually even in the past couple of 249 00:10:22,670 --> 00:10:19,620 days looking at the role of you know 250 00:10:24,350 --> 00:10:22,680 either a psilocybin or DMT which was 251 00:10:27,250 --> 00:10:24,360 used oftentimes 252 00:10:30,590 --> 00:10:27,260 um especially in um you know American 253 00:10:32,389 --> 00:10:30,600 indigenous communities uh to kind of 254 00:10:36,710 --> 00:10:32,399 facilitate contact and one of the things 255 00:10:38,630 --> 00:10:36,720 they found was that DMT actually changes 256 00:10:41,210 --> 00:10:38,640 kind of neurological Pathways and how 257 00:10:43,490 --> 00:10:41,220 information is processed under the 258 00:10:44,810 --> 00:10:43,500 influence and I'm really curious what 259 00:10:47,690 --> 00:10:44,820 you guys think of that if you think 260 00:10:51,050 --> 00:10:47,700 there's a role for that um 261 00:10:52,490 --> 00:10:51,060 in terms of uh you know moving forward 262 00:10:54,410 --> 00:10:52,500 and understanding how Consciousness 263 00:10:56,509 --> 00:10:54,420 Consciousness works and the phenomenon 264 00:10:59,530 --> 00:10:56,519 or if you've had any personal experience 265 00:11:05,090 --> 00:11:01,610 I've had no personal experience 266 00:11:07,970 --> 00:11:05,100 personally with the psychedelics but 267 00:11:10,130 --> 00:11:07,980 um you know it isn't as if I'm not like 268 00:11:13,190 --> 00:11:10,140 reaching for the kitchen cabinet to 269 00:11:15,590 --> 00:11:13,200 maybe try it someday but um it's just 270 00:11:18,590 --> 00:11:15,600 not something that for any of a variety 271 00:11:20,930 --> 00:11:18,600 of reasons I I can do 272 00:11:22,310 --> 00:11:20,940 um but I think what's important about 273 00:11:23,449 --> 00:11:22,320 you know to the extent that we 274 00:11:25,069 --> 00:11:23,459 understand anything about how the brain 275 00:11:26,030 --> 00:11:25,079 works and probably most people in the 276 00:11:27,829 --> 00:11:26,040 audience will know about something 277 00:11:30,410 --> 00:11:27,839 called the default mode Network 278 00:11:32,630 --> 00:11:30,420 the default mode Network can be simply 279 00:11:36,769 --> 00:11:32,640 thought of as as the controller sitting 280 00:11:39,710 --> 00:11:36,779 at the middle of this cacophony of uh 281 00:11:40,790 --> 00:11:39,720 processes that is basically putting its 282 00:11:42,590 --> 00:11:40,800 foot down and saying this is how you're 283 00:11:44,150 --> 00:11:42,600 going to operate and and in some ways 284 00:11:46,850 --> 00:11:44,160 it's almost like your executive function 285 00:11:50,150 --> 00:11:46,860 of who you are and I mean it's been 286 00:11:53,389 --> 00:11:50,160 clearly shown that these drugs uh reduce 287 00:11:55,910 --> 00:11:53,399 the power or the strength and or the 288 00:12:00,769 --> 00:11:55,920 hold of the default mode Network and let 289 00:12:02,870 --> 00:12:00,779 the rest of the uh the the orchestra you 290 00:12:04,790 --> 00:12:02,880 know come to the fore and you know put 291 00:12:07,190 --> 00:12:04,800 its you know put its thoughts forward 292 00:12:09,889 --> 00:12:07,200 and I think what that does is it it 293 00:12:11,569 --> 00:12:09,899 really again it it allows for people who 294 00:12:13,310 --> 00:12:11,579 might be as we started this whole thing 295 00:12:16,150 --> 00:12:13,320 off neurodivergence 296 00:12:18,710 --> 00:12:16,160 to let that that 297 00:12:20,150 --> 00:12:18,720 default mode Network stop it from 298 00:12:23,269 --> 00:12:20,160 working and let some of these other 299 00:12:25,370 --> 00:12:23,279 strengths play out uh and then those are 300 00:12:27,769 --> 00:12:25,380 the things that are probably seeing uh 301 00:12:30,470 --> 00:12:27,779 forms of reality that uh some people 302 00:12:33,230 --> 00:12:30,480 would prefer not to see 303 00:12:35,509 --> 00:12:33,240 right right absolutely what about you 304 00:12:37,009 --> 00:12:35,519 Tyler any thoughts to speak to that 305 00:12:38,930 --> 00:12:37,019 every day to certainly see the value in 306 00:12:41,090 --> 00:12:38,940 neuroplasticity and though in my own 307 00:12:43,250 --> 00:12:41,100 experience I unfortunately don't have 308 00:12:44,870 --> 00:12:43,260 any experiences regarding hallucinogens 309 00:12:46,430 --> 00:12:44,880 I would say that 310 00:12:48,829 --> 00:12:46,440 um you know for me it does kind of go 311 00:12:52,430 --> 00:12:48,839 into the question of subjective versus 312 00:12:55,550 --> 00:12:52,440 objective and so many of these spiritual 313 00:12:57,710 --> 00:12:55,560 or initiatory experiences are deeply 314 00:12:59,750 --> 00:12:57,720 subjectively meaningful 315 00:13:01,430 --> 00:12:59,760 um my curiosity kind of sits in the 316 00:13:04,190 --> 00:13:01,440 objective realm of how do we take those 317 00:13:05,930 --> 00:13:04,200 experiences and quantify similarities if 318 00:13:08,269 --> 00:13:05,940 there are some and it seems like there 319 00:13:09,829 --> 00:13:08,279 are in Reading very little research on 320 00:13:11,269 --> 00:13:09,839 the subject 321 00:13:14,810 --> 00:13:11,279 you know one of the interesting things 322 00:13:16,790 --> 00:13:14,820 are children right that um children's 323 00:13:19,670 --> 00:13:16,800 default mode network is really actually 324 00:13:22,069 --> 00:13:19,680 not in play as much as an adult is it's 325 00:13:24,829 --> 00:13:22,079 almost like that time at which your 326 00:13:27,290 --> 00:13:24,839 neuroplasticity in your brain locks down 327 00:13:30,110 --> 00:13:27,300 uh and it's it's almost coincident with 328 00:13:31,670 --> 00:13:30,120 the time that you stop being able to 329 00:13:32,629 --> 00:13:31,680 talk additional or learn additional 330 00:13:36,050 --> 00:13:32,639 languages 331 00:13:38,930 --> 00:13:36,060 so that neuroplasticity uh as you are 332 00:13:42,470 --> 00:13:38,940 entrained to enter whatever civilization 333 00:13:44,090 --> 00:13:42,480 or culture uh and adulthood is somehow 334 00:13:46,190 --> 00:13:44,100 coincident with the loss of those 335 00:13:48,230 --> 00:13:46,200 additional functions and so I think 336 00:13:50,690 --> 00:13:48,240 frankly from a again a scientific 337 00:13:52,670 --> 00:13:50,700 standpoint the fascinating thing to do 338 00:13:56,810 --> 00:13:52,680 would be to look at the brains of 339 00:14:01,129 --> 00:13:56,820 children as they mature from that let's 340 00:14:03,170 --> 00:14:01,139 say default mode uh less powerful stage 341 00:14:05,750 --> 00:14:03,180 of their life into something that has 342 00:14:08,569 --> 00:14:05,760 been or targeted which is another reason 343 00:14:10,670 --> 00:14:08,579 why actually interestingly the shamans 344 00:14:12,889 --> 00:14:10,680 who are trained in some of these tribal 345 00:14:14,449 --> 00:14:12,899 cultures they're actually picked from 346 00:14:16,910 --> 00:14:14,459 very early on 347 00:14:19,730 --> 00:14:16,920 and so you can imagine that that let's 348 00:14:21,889 --> 00:14:19,740 say entrainment stops them from becoming 349 00:14:25,150 --> 00:14:21,899 the warrior or stops them from becoming 350 00:14:29,389 --> 00:14:25,160 you know some other uh more dedicated 351 00:14:30,650 --> 00:14:29,399 subtype or you know utility in the tribe 352 00:14:32,210 --> 00:14:30,660 yeah I think one thing I found 353 00:14:34,490 --> 00:14:32,220 fascinating about when we hear about 354 00:14:35,930 --> 00:14:34,500 indigenous cultures from all around the 355 00:14:40,009 --> 00:14:35,940 globe is that people have used 356 00:14:42,290 --> 00:14:40,019 psychedelics to contact loved ones lost 357 00:14:45,050 --> 00:14:42,300 or ancestors but at the same time we 358 00:14:47,150 --> 00:14:45,060 hear of them contacting the star people 359 00:14:49,610 --> 00:14:47,160 and that so I I find that just 360 00:14:51,050 --> 00:14:49,620 fascinating that it's not just one thing 361 00:14:54,110 --> 00:14:51,060 that there is some 362 00:14:56,030 --> 00:14:54,120 some broader spectrum of being able to 363 00:14:57,230 --> 00:14:56,040 contact more than just one thing in 364 00:14:59,930 --> 00:14:57,240 another realm I just find that 365 00:15:01,790 --> 00:14:59,940 fascinating absolutely there's a book a 366 00:15:04,250 --> 00:15:01,800 wonderful book called the ritual process 367 00:15:07,970 --> 00:15:04,260 by Victor Turner where he covers in 368 00:15:10,189 --> 00:15:07,980 depth of the traditions and cultural 369 00:15:12,710 --> 00:15:10,199 aspects of African tribes and found that 370 00:15:15,050 --> 00:15:12,720 liminality seemed to go hand in hand 371 00:15:16,910 --> 00:15:15,060 with Rites of Passage and that Rites of 372 00:15:19,670 --> 00:15:16,920 Passage in people's lives individually 373 00:15:21,590 --> 00:15:19,680 seem to often open them up to things 374 00:15:23,629 --> 00:15:21,600 that perhaps they weren't ordinarily 375 00:15:25,550 --> 00:15:23,639 connected to and that seemed to be kind 376 00:15:27,590 --> 00:15:25,560 of the goal of taking people out of 377 00:15:29,449 --> 00:15:27,600 their traditional Society sometimes 378 00:15:31,730 --> 00:15:29,459 going into the desert or going to the 379 00:15:34,069 --> 00:15:31,740 forest alone and having to kind of go 380 00:15:36,110 --> 00:15:34,079 from a boy to a man and in that process 381 00:15:38,990 --> 00:15:36,120 going back and returning with knowledge 382 00:15:41,629 --> 00:15:39,000 that is received in that state that 383 00:15:42,949 --> 00:15:41,639 helps better society as a whole 384 00:15:45,290 --> 00:15:42,959 you know one of the interesting things 385 00:15:47,870 --> 00:15:45,300 about many now of the psychedelics 386 00:15:50,449 --> 00:15:47,880 that's been observed is the induction of 387 00:15:52,730 --> 00:15:50,459 neuroplasticity that happens they 388 00:15:54,590 --> 00:15:52,740 actually induce brain changes I mean 389 00:15:55,910 --> 00:15:54,600 that's just to me right that was only 390 00:15:58,790 --> 00:15:55,920 been observed I think in the last couple 391 00:16:00,050 --> 00:15:58,800 of years is shocking that uh you know 392 00:16:01,610 --> 00:16:00,060 because it used to be that the brain was 393 00:16:03,170 --> 00:16:01,620 thought to be something set in stone and 394 00:16:04,970 --> 00:16:03,180 there was no such thing as a brain stem 395 00:16:06,710 --> 00:16:04,980 cell well that all changed you know 396 00:16:11,050 --> 00:16:06,720 about a decade or so ago and now we find 397 00:16:13,970 --> 00:16:11,060 these drugs that seem to not only open 398 00:16:16,970 --> 00:16:13,980 individuals Minds to Alternative views 399 00:16:19,250 --> 00:16:16,980 of reality and contact with other things 400 00:16:21,410 --> 00:16:19,260 allegedly I'm always going to use 401 00:16:23,389 --> 00:16:21,420 allegedly even though everybody on the 402 00:16:24,650 --> 00:16:23,399 in the audience who knows me knows that 403 00:16:28,069 --> 00:16:24,660 I'm just saying that for my scientist 404 00:16:31,610 --> 00:16:29,449 um you know so they contact these other 405 00:16:34,090 --> 00:16:31,620 things and so you know the the open 406 00:16:37,069 --> 00:16:34,100 question is does use of these 407 00:16:38,870 --> 00:16:37,079 inalterably change your brain but then 408 00:16:40,129 --> 00:16:38,880 it's kind of a Global Effect I mean 409 00:16:42,650 --> 00:16:40,139 people take these things and it's 410 00:16:44,329 --> 00:16:42,660 systemically applied imagine if we 411 00:16:47,629 --> 00:16:44,339 understood enough about it so that you 412 00:16:51,710 --> 00:16:47,639 could locally apply these uh neuro 413 00:16:53,629 --> 00:16:51,720 generative drugs to areas that were 414 00:16:56,990 --> 00:16:53,639 either missing individuals because of 415 00:16:59,150 --> 00:16:57,000 some pathology or because they decide to 416 00:17:02,269 --> 00:16:59,160 change how they want their brain to 417 00:17:05,510 --> 00:17:02,279 function right sort of a a a decision 418 00:17:06,710 --> 00:17:05,520 they make to to do something 419 00:17:08,929 --> 00:17:06,720 um and 420 00:17:10,669 --> 00:17:08,939 you know one of the things that I I've 421 00:17:12,650 --> 00:17:10,679 often talked with to people about is 422 00:17:17,630 --> 00:17:12,660 when you know sometimes people who 423 00:17:19,789 --> 00:17:17,640 suddenly appear to uh gain function they 424 00:17:21,049 --> 00:17:19,799 they have an accident they gain a 425 00:17:23,030 --> 00:17:21,059 function suddenly they can do something 426 00:17:25,250 --> 00:17:23,040 they couldn't do before and then people 427 00:17:27,409 --> 00:17:25,260 say well how does this happen and the 428 00:17:29,270 --> 00:17:27,419 only way that I as a say a a biologist 429 00:17:32,270 --> 00:17:29,280 could imagine is what happened was that 430 00:17:34,250 --> 00:17:32,280 you damaged a part of the brain the the 431 00:17:36,289 --> 00:17:34,260 neuroregenerative process of the brain 432 00:17:39,289 --> 00:17:36,299 basically created circuits around the 433 00:17:41,870 --> 00:17:39,299 damage and in so doing connected 434 00:17:44,390 --> 00:17:41,880 networks that previously had been 435 00:17:47,090 --> 00:17:44,400 suppressed or just didn't exist and 436 00:17:48,650 --> 00:17:47,100 suddenly now they have access to you 437 00:17:51,230 --> 00:17:48,660 know somebody rewired their brain 438 00:17:52,210 --> 00:17:51,240 because of the damage so the damage in 439 00:17:55,970 --> 00:17:52,220 fact it 440 00:17:58,549 --> 00:17:55,980 didn't didn't mystically cause some 441 00:18:00,289 --> 00:17:58,559 change it actually physically caused a 442 00:18:02,390 --> 00:18:00,299 change that allowed their brain to 443 00:18:04,010 --> 00:18:02,400 function in a wholly new manner 444 00:18:05,390 --> 00:18:04,020 and that that really speaks to the 445 00:18:07,130 --> 00:18:05,400 evidence that we've seen at least 446 00:18:09,289 --> 00:18:07,140 anecdotally where people have shared 447 00:18:10,850 --> 00:18:09,299 after the loss of a loved one after a 448 00:18:13,310 --> 00:18:10,860 serious illness even sometimes during 449 00:18:15,289 --> 00:18:13,320 pregnancy liminal times in people's 450 00:18:16,970 --> 00:18:15,299 lives where they have to approach things 451 00:18:18,470 --> 00:18:16,980 differently by force and then end up 452 00:18:20,090 --> 00:18:18,480 kind of opening or unlocking a whole 453 00:18:22,430 --> 00:18:20,100 other side of themselves that perhaps 454 00:18:24,669 --> 00:18:22,440 they didn't recognize at the time 455 00:18:28,370 --> 00:18:24,679 did you know that in pregnancy the the 456 00:18:31,789 --> 00:18:28,380 baby's cells can actually uh enter the 457 00:18:33,950 --> 00:18:31,799 woman and take and actually uh become 458 00:18:36,650 --> 00:18:33,960 part of the woman you literally become 459 00:18:40,250 --> 00:18:36,660 part of a colleague of mine showed some 460 00:18:42,830 --> 00:18:40,260 early data that actually uh some uh 461 00:18:45,529 --> 00:18:42,840 brain cells appear to be contributed to 462 00:18:47,930 --> 00:18:45,539 by the by the baby's fetal cells that 463 00:18:49,970 --> 00:18:47,940 are get around it's still a bit closer 464 00:18:54,110 --> 00:18:49,980 all the way to the brain all the way to 465 00:18:56,450 --> 00:18:54,120 the brain Yeah well yeah so 466 00:18:58,250 --> 00:18:56,460 oh that's amazing let's look at 467 00:19:01,310 --> 00:18:58,260 childbirth that's the most alien process 468 00:19:03,650 --> 00:19:01,320 in the world right right let's not look 469 00:19:07,330 --> 00:19:03,660 at childbirth right now no that's right 470 00:19:10,010 --> 00:19:07,340 for the sake of breaking this down 471 00:19:11,630 --> 00:19:10,020 before we get to the next question sorry 472 00:19:13,310 --> 00:19:11,640 Katie I just wanted to say to everyone I 473 00:19:16,010 --> 00:19:13,320 am recording a few questions that people 474 00:19:17,750 --> 00:19:16,020 have asked in the chat we will get to 475 00:19:19,909 --> 00:19:17,760 any questions towards the end and 476 00:19:21,289 --> 00:19:19,919 anybody that's kindly donated as well I 477 00:19:22,970 --> 00:19:21,299 will read those out towards the end I 478 00:19:25,370 --> 00:19:22,980 just wanted to let people know I'm not 479 00:19:26,930 --> 00:19:25,380 ignoring everybody so sorry Katie 480 00:19:28,730 --> 00:19:26,940 continue thank you 481 00:19:30,650 --> 00:19:28,740 that's what Vinnie says he's messing 482 00:19:32,810 --> 00:19:30,660 with you all no I'm just kidding 483 00:19:34,130 --> 00:19:32,820 um so Tyler you actually kind of I think 484 00:19:35,630 --> 00:19:34,140 you read my mind because the next 485 00:19:36,529 --> 00:19:35,640 question I was going to ask both of you 486 00:19:39,289 --> 00:19:36,539 about 487 00:19:40,970 --> 00:19:39,299 um was was George Hansen's the trickster 488 00:19:42,230 --> 00:19:40,980 in the Paranormal yeah I I guess there 489 00:19:44,029 --> 00:19:42,240 was that was kind of a joke in there I 490 00:19:46,549 --> 00:19:44,039 didn't even intend it 491 00:19:47,990 --> 00:19:46,559 um so George Hansen if you guys haven't 492 00:19:50,870 --> 00:19:48,000 read the trickster in the Paranormal 493 00:19:53,270 --> 00:19:50,880 fantastic book highly recommend it 494 00:19:54,950 --> 00:19:53,280 um and he kind of famously outlines the 495 00:19:57,409 --> 00:19:54,960 role of liminality but also some other 496 00:19:59,990 --> 00:19:57,419 things like anti-structure and 497 00:20:01,850 --> 00:20:00,000 attracting Paranormal Activity High 498 00:20:04,789 --> 00:20:01,860 strangeness whatever you want to call it 499 00:20:07,610 --> 00:20:04,799 and I'm curious if you found this to be 500 00:20:09,529 --> 00:20:07,620 something that actually has impacted 501 00:20:11,090 --> 00:20:09,539 your lives personally you know Tyler you 502 00:20:13,250 --> 00:20:11,100 as a medium Gary you know you've had 503 00:20:15,049 --> 00:20:13,260 some experiences yourself 504 00:20:17,150 --> 00:20:15,059 um or if these are states that you 505 00:20:19,430 --> 00:20:17,160 actively seek in order to sort of better 506 00:20:20,930 --> 00:20:19,440 tune in or have these experiences and 507 00:20:23,510 --> 00:20:20,940 what your thoughts are 508 00:20:26,210 --> 00:20:23,520 so I know in my own work liminality is a 509 00:20:27,770 --> 00:20:26,220 goal that I try to kind of implement a 510 00:20:30,049 --> 00:20:27,780 state of when I do a reading now getting 511 00:20:31,789 --> 00:20:30,059 a reading by default is liminal there is 512 00:20:33,890 --> 00:20:31,799 kind of the expectations and then the 513 00:20:34,909 --> 00:20:33,900 suspension of those expectations you 514 00:20:37,190 --> 00:20:34,919 never know what's going to be said 515 00:20:38,870 --> 00:20:37,200 people are kind of on edge and that 516 00:20:40,190 --> 00:20:38,880 creates a liminal environment where I 517 00:20:42,289 --> 00:20:40,200 believe the Paranormal can kind of 518 00:20:45,110 --> 00:20:42,299 flourish but I found interestingly that 519 00:20:47,330 --> 00:20:45,120 a lot of my live shows will be actually 520 00:20:49,190 --> 00:20:47,340 sometimes around environments of play 521 00:20:51,650 --> 00:20:49,200 sometimes they're at Resorts where 522 00:20:54,049 --> 00:20:51,660 people are relaxing and having fun and 523 00:20:55,310 --> 00:20:54,059 coming from other places and if you've 524 00:20:57,529 --> 00:20:55,320 read the book you know that's a very 525 00:20:59,650 --> 00:20:57,539 liminal descriptor so I find that where 526 00:21:02,570 --> 00:20:59,660 there is kind of a convivial 527 00:21:05,090 --> 00:21:02,580 bacchanalian like environment oftentimes 528 00:21:07,669 --> 00:21:05,100 the Paranormal seems to meet that and 529 00:21:10,870 --> 00:21:07,679 it's fertile soil so I find that to be 530 00:21:13,490 --> 00:21:10,880 in coincidental at the very least 531 00:21:16,370 --> 00:21:13,500 well that's interesting you I mean I I 532 00:21:19,669 --> 00:21:16,380 almost hesitate to talk about it but I 533 00:21:21,110 --> 00:21:19,679 was on a cruise actually recently it was 534 00:21:23,450 --> 00:21:21,120 actually a gay cruise 535 00:21:25,370 --> 00:21:23,460 um with like it was a lot of fun in the 536 00:21:27,529 --> 00:21:25,380 in the Caribbean I think I sent a couple 537 00:21:29,390 --> 00:21:27,539 of pictures of it to Tyler 538 00:21:31,669 --> 00:21:29,400 um of the uh of the bacchanal it was a 539 00:21:33,830 --> 00:21:31,679 lot of fun but so 540 00:21:36,049 --> 00:21:33,840 um we had handed out 541 00:21:37,310 --> 00:21:36,059 um these like little dog tags that 542 00:21:38,810 --> 00:21:37,320 basically said you know give our number 543 00:21:40,010 --> 00:21:38,820 if we met somebody fine and we wanted to 544 00:21:41,390 --> 00:21:40,020 see them again because it's 5 000 people 545 00:21:44,510 --> 00:21:41,400 on the ship and God knows you ever find 546 00:21:46,669 --> 00:21:44,520 them so I get this text like on uh like 547 00:21:48,470 --> 00:21:46,679 part way through saying hey Gary 548 00:21:51,710 --> 00:21:48,480 um I don't know you you know we found 549 00:21:53,210 --> 00:21:51,720 this dog tag of yours 550 00:21:54,409 --> 00:21:53,220 um do you want it thinking that it was 551 00:21:56,270 --> 00:21:54,419 something important and I said no no 552 00:21:58,190 --> 00:21:56,280 it's not it's okay it's just something 553 00:22:01,130 --> 00:21:58,200 we hand out 554 00:22:03,289 --> 00:22:01,140 three nights later I'm out literally on 555 00:22:05,510 --> 00:22:03,299 the dance floor with friends and I come 556 00:22:08,750 --> 00:22:05,520 across these couple of guys who had we 557 00:22:09,890 --> 00:22:08,760 we met and had a lot of fun with and 558 00:22:11,570 --> 00:22:09,900 um they said hey this is a lot of fun 559 00:22:13,370 --> 00:22:11,580 you know hope to see you tomorrow kind 560 00:22:15,230 --> 00:22:13,380 of take your number they start typing my 561 00:22:18,350 --> 00:22:15,240 number in and it was the guys 562 00:22:20,450 --> 00:22:18,360 who had found the dog tag almost as if 563 00:22:22,909 --> 00:22:20,460 out of time 564 00:22:24,110 --> 00:22:22,919 I they had been sent the dog tag because 565 00:22:26,210 --> 00:22:24,120 they were the people that I was going to 566 00:22:27,770 --> 00:22:26,220 meet right this was like out of 5 000 567 00:22:28,909 --> 00:22:27,780 people I'm the only people you know and 568 00:22:30,770 --> 00:22:28,919 so it was like one of those 569 00:22:33,789 --> 00:22:30,780 synchronistic moments 570 00:22:36,830 --> 00:22:33,799 that you realize okay this was something 571 00:22:41,029 --> 00:22:36,840 that needs to be remembered you know it 572 00:22:43,850 --> 00:22:41,039 was that continual uh remembrance and 573 00:22:45,590 --> 00:22:43,860 the the pattern of what Jacques valet 574 00:22:49,789 --> 00:22:45,600 would frankly call the control theory 575 00:22:52,310 --> 00:22:49,799 the the reminding you that you are as 576 00:22:55,190 --> 00:22:52,320 much in almost in control of what's 577 00:22:59,390 --> 00:22:55,200 happening to in your life but that it is 578 00:23:01,029 --> 00:22:59,400 an out of time and out of context uh 579 00:23:03,289 --> 00:23:01,039 um set of events 580 00:23:05,149 --> 00:23:03,299 it just it was that's like the most 581 00:23:07,130 --> 00:23:05,159 recent I would say paranormal I mean 582 00:23:08,390 --> 00:23:07,140 sure I could always put it off to 583 00:23:10,730 --> 00:23:08,400 coincidence 584 00:23:12,110 --> 00:23:10,740 Etc but it was just a little too much 585 00:23:16,070 --> 00:23:12,120 for me 586 00:23:21,470 --> 00:23:18,710 that's one thing I'd say 587 00:23:23,570 --> 00:23:21,480 I found recently since I've been quite 588 00:23:25,210 --> 00:23:23,580 active in this community publicly and 589 00:23:27,470 --> 00:23:25,220 some of the friends I've made recently 590 00:23:28,850 --> 00:23:27,480 and they have brought up these 591 00:23:30,770 --> 00:23:28,860 synchronicities that happen to them all 592 00:23:33,289 --> 00:23:30,780 the time but since getting to know them 593 00:23:35,090 --> 00:23:33,299 I find that synchronic synchronicities 594 00:23:36,830 --> 00:23:35,100 happen to me a lot more 595 00:23:40,549 --> 00:23:36,840 and if that's just because I'm looking 596 00:23:41,930 --> 00:23:40,559 out for it like I'm very cautious to 597 00:23:43,310 --> 00:23:41,940 think that there's something spooky 598 00:23:45,890 --> 00:23:43,320 going on but at the same time I just 599 00:23:47,810 --> 00:23:45,900 don't know so yeah I mean that kind of 600 00:23:50,090 --> 00:23:47,820 weird frame of mind with that at the 601 00:23:51,890 --> 00:23:50,100 moment it seems to be something around 602 00:23:53,210 --> 00:23:51,900 meaningful coincidences I'm sorry Gary 603 00:23:54,830 --> 00:23:53,220 didn't mean to no no it's the same thing 604 00:23:57,110 --> 00:23:54,840 I was just going to say Carl Jung wrote 605 00:23:58,850 --> 00:23:57,120 a book about it or exactly and those 606 00:24:01,250 --> 00:23:58,860 meaningful coincidences I suspect 607 00:24:02,930 --> 00:24:01,260 perhaps might lead to the Future 608 00:24:04,310 --> 00:24:02,940 communicating with the past and I've 609 00:24:06,830 --> 00:24:04,320 wondered how that ties into something 610 00:24:08,149 --> 00:24:06,840 called retro causality which is a recent 611 00:24:09,830 --> 00:24:08,159 work in 612 00:24:10,789 --> 00:24:09,840 fascinating 613 00:24:12,350 --> 00:24:10,799 yeah 614 00:24:13,970 --> 00:24:12,360 well I'd love to hear more about your 615 00:24:15,590 --> 00:24:13,980 thoughts on retro causality if you have 616 00:24:17,450 --> 00:24:15,600 any other oh goodness that's above my 617 00:24:20,090 --> 00:24:17,460 pay grade I think Dr Gary Nolan might 618 00:24:22,430 --> 00:24:20,100 have some thoughts yeah Gary what do you 619 00:24:24,289 --> 00:24:22,440 think about the passengers 620 00:24:27,890 --> 00:24:24,299 I'll get you for that 621 00:24:31,310 --> 00:24:29,390 you know um 622 00:24:33,230 --> 00:24:31,320 uh again if you if you dive into the 623 00:24:36,649 --> 00:24:33,240 people who do all of the physics of 624 00:24:39,770 --> 00:24:36,659 reality they uh you know they don't have 625 00:24:42,590 --> 00:24:39,780 any problem with time having no Arrow 626 00:24:44,750 --> 00:24:42,600 and uh so you know there's plenty of 627 00:24:46,549 --> 00:24:44,760 ways that you can construct reality in 628 00:24:49,190 --> 00:24:46,559 that way and and you know but then 629 00:24:53,029 --> 00:24:49,200 there's there's consciousness 630 00:24:56,090 --> 00:24:53,039 Follow the arrow or does it at times of 631 00:24:58,789 --> 00:24:56,100 necessity need to step outside or use 632 00:25:02,149 --> 00:24:58,799 you know a you know multi-directional 633 00:25:04,430 --> 00:25:02,159 Arrow to uh to you know make some 634 00:25:08,029 --> 00:25:04,440 important change in your life 635 00:25:10,010 --> 00:25:08,039 um and so uh I mean that's the I don't 636 00:25:12,049 --> 00:25:10,020 have you know back to another question 637 00:25:14,270 --> 00:25:12,059 because I don't have any of the kinds of 638 00:25:16,430 --> 00:25:14,280 on-call experiences that many people do 639 00:25:19,490 --> 00:25:16,440 I mean I've had my experiences and I 640 00:25:21,110 --> 00:25:19,500 almost feel like whatever is behind the 641 00:25:22,250 --> 00:25:21,120 scenes has sort of said well I don't 642 00:25:24,230 --> 00:25:22,260 need to spend any more time with this 643 00:25:27,710 --> 00:25:24,240 guy he's convinced 644 00:25:30,230 --> 00:25:27,720 right so why why apart from the 645 00:25:33,049 --> 00:25:30,240 occasional reminder uh we don't have to 646 00:25:34,850 --> 00:25:33,059 put orbs in his house to remind him that 647 00:25:36,830 --> 00:25:34,860 this is something worth you know we're 648 00:25:38,149 --> 00:25:36,840 spending time on 649 00:25:39,049 --> 00:25:38,159 um because maybe that will just distract 650 00:25:42,590 --> 00:25:39,059 him 651 00:25:45,169 --> 00:25:42,600 so uh you know but but the one time that 652 00:25:48,590 --> 00:25:45,179 I did manage to sort of go into the kind 653 00:25:51,350 --> 00:25:48,600 of meditation uh efforts that I know uh 654 00:25:52,909 --> 00:25:51,360 Tyler does on a more regular basis 655 00:25:55,789 --> 00:25:52,919 um was the time when I had that 656 00:25:57,710 --> 00:25:55,799 experience in London where you know that 657 00:25:59,269 --> 00:25:57,720 kind of buzzing in my body and then this 658 00:26:01,730 --> 00:25:59,279 voice in my head saying this is how you 659 00:26:02,630 --> 00:26:01,740 connect I've never been able to recreate 660 00:26:04,970 --> 00:26:02,640 that 661 00:26:07,970 --> 00:26:04,980 but frankly I haven't done the kind of 662 00:26:09,230 --> 00:26:07,980 meditative stuff uh that got me to that 663 00:26:12,350 --> 00:26:09,240 point in the first place because I was 664 00:26:14,870 --> 00:26:12,360 so frightened by what happened 665 00:26:16,970 --> 00:26:14,880 um so maybe you know maybe that's 666 00:26:18,710 --> 00:26:16,980 something but you know is it is it 667 00:26:21,409 --> 00:26:18,720 something that we want everybody to 668 00:26:24,230 --> 00:26:21,419 experience might be a you know is is 669 00:26:27,230 --> 00:26:24,240 that what the collective unconscious of 670 00:26:28,930 --> 00:26:27,240 humanity needs to move beyond our 671 00:26:33,110 --> 00:26:28,940 current stalemates 672 00:26:35,450 --> 00:26:33,120 uh and so I I I I wonder if but we're 673 00:26:37,370 --> 00:26:35,460 we're actually seeing that let's say 674 00:26:40,450 --> 00:26:37,380 Collective of conscious expand in 675 00:26:44,390 --> 00:26:40,460 society as it is I mean you know 676 00:26:48,289 --> 00:26:44,400 these psychedelics are being used now 677 00:26:50,590 --> 00:26:48,299 therapeutically uh it people are talking 678 00:26:54,590 --> 00:26:50,600 about them on a more regular basis so 679 00:26:57,529 --> 00:26:54,600 how many more people now might be able 680 00:27:00,590 --> 00:26:57,539 to legally experience it that we then 681 00:27:02,029 --> 00:27:00,600 reach an inflection point uh which is 682 00:27:05,090 --> 00:27:02,039 sort of a let's call it a positive 683 00:27:07,730 --> 00:27:05,100 upgrade for uh human Collective 684 00:27:09,590 --> 00:27:07,740 unconscious uh and that's actually where 685 00:27:12,350 --> 00:27:09,600 I I'm most excited I'm actually working 686 00:27:14,630 --> 00:27:12,360 with a couple of people of considerable 687 00:27:17,990 --> 00:27:14,640 means who are literally building 688 00:27:19,669 --> 00:27:18,000 companies around this to get it out at 689 00:27:22,669 --> 00:27:19,679 least as Therapeutics 690 00:27:26,210 --> 00:27:22,679 uh and to engage uh the political 691 00:27:27,890 --> 00:27:26,220 establishment uh in positive senses uh 692 00:27:29,390 --> 00:27:27,900 not just the doctors but also the 693 00:27:32,269 --> 00:27:29,400 politicians just as we've been doing 694 00:27:34,250 --> 00:27:32,279 with uaps you know we've been engaging 695 00:27:36,049 --> 00:27:34,260 the politics because through the 696 00:27:37,909 --> 00:27:36,059 politics and scientists we engage the 697 00:27:40,010 --> 00:27:37,919 public and so there's a very much a 698 00:27:41,510 --> 00:27:40,020 parallel track in fact the conversation 699 00:27:43,310 --> 00:27:41,520 I've had with some of these people is 700 00:27:46,490 --> 00:27:43,320 we're gonna we're gonna help you with 701 00:27:48,110 --> 00:27:46,500 the UAP because we already have the 702 00:27:50,930 --> 00:27:48,120 kinds of experience of how to get this 703 00:27:53,330 --> 00:27:50,940 across the Rubicon with psychedelics 704 00:27:55,070 --> 00:27:53,340 because we see an exact parallel so 705 00:27:56,570 --> 00:27:55,080 that's I I think that's interesting that 706 00:27:59,210 --> 00:27:56,580 you see there's there's two things going 707 00:28:01,010 --> 00:27:59,220 hand in hand which is frankly why you 708 00:28:02,990 --> 00:28:01,020 see Tyler and I sitting here next to 709 00:28:05,830 --> 00:28:03,000 each other albeit 710 00:28:09,529 --> 00:28:05,840 900 miles away that's right 711 00:28:11,870 --> 00:28:09,539 we came full circle 712 00:28:13,669 --> 00:28:11,880 well no but you you brought up a good 713 00:28:16,430 --> 00:28:13,679 point and you know we are principally a 714 00:28:18,590 --> 00:28:16,440 UAP podcast so you know one of the 715 00:28:19,909 --> 00:28:18,600 things that Vinnie and I are very 716 00:28:21,950 --> 00:28:19,919 interested in and I'd love to hear from 717 00:28:25,669 --> 00:28:21,960 both of you about is the role that 718 00:28:31,490 --> 00:28:28,669 um uh supposedly perhaps maybe 719 00:28:35,330 --> 00:28:31,500 speculatively play in contact 720 00:28:37,610 --> 00:28:35,340 experiences and experiences with UAP 721 00:28:39,110 --> 00:28:37,620 um you know there are lots of folks who 722 00:28:41,510 --> 00:28:39,120 are very much in the nuts and bolts camp 723 00:28:42,950 --> 00:28:41,520 and they believe that UAP are only nuts 724 00:28:44,510 --> 00:28:42,960 and bolts they're something you can 725 00:28:46,430 --> 00:28:44,520 touch and that's it there are other 726 00:28:47,990 --> 00:28:46,440 folks that believe it's purely in your 727 00:28:49,250 --> 00:28:48,000 Consciousness there's folks that are in 728 00:28:51,649 --> 00:28:49,260 the middle who believe it's some sort of 729 00:28:53,630 --> 00:28:51,659 fusion of the two and I'd love to really 730 00:28:55,250 --> 00:28:53,640 hear your guys's thoughts on that 731 00:28:56,870 --> 00:28:55,260 um if you want to talk about any 732 00:28:59,450 --> 00:28:56,880 experiences you've had too that's great 733 00:29:01,430 --> 00:28:59,460 but um really just what what are your 734 00:29:03,590 --> 00:29:01,440 speculative thoughts no one knows the 735 00:29:06,370 --> 00:29:03,600 truth for sure but 736 00:29:09,350 --> 00:29:06,380 you first 737 00:29:10,430 --> 00:29:09,360 well it's getting you back there's 738 00:29:12,470 --> 00:29:10,440 definitely something to be said about 739 00:29:13,549 --> 00:29:12,480 ce5 you know that being kind of one of 740 00:29:15,169 --> 00:29:13,559 the obvious things that comes to mind 741 00:29:16,730 --> 00:29:15,179 where there are some who believe that 742 00:29:19,730 --> 00:29:16,740 through certain methodologies they can 743 00:29:21,769 --> 00:29:19,740 make contact uh with UFOs I'm not 744 00:29:24,230 --> 00:29:21,779 endorsing that or discrediting that but 745 00:29:26,630 --> 00:29:24,240 I would say when it comes to looking at 746 00:29:29,090 --> 00:29:26,640 historical parallels I think of iconic 747 00:29:32,149 --> 00:29:29,100 figures like Jack Parsons who use ritual 748 00:29:34,370 --> 00:29:32,159 magic to try to commune with venusians 749 00:29:35,990 --> 00:29:34,380 if you go further back I think you could 750 00:29:37,430 --> 00:29:36,000 look at a lot of religious leaders and 751 00:29:40,130 --> 00:29:37,440 spiritual leaders who were in contact 752 00:29:41,750 --> 00:29:40,140 with something and even when they 753 00:29:44,690 --> 00:29:41,760 attributed that something to a certain 754 00:29:46,789 --> 00:29:44,700 deity if you look at the evidence it's 755 00:29:48,830 --> 00:29:46,799 not always super clear I think back to 756 00:29:51,409 --> 00:29:48,840 the instances of when people were seeing 757 00:29:54,590 --> 00:29:51,419 images of the mother Mary in the sky the 758 00:29:56,690 --> 00:29:54,600 Fatima incident if I recall 759 00:29:59,570 --> 00:29:56,700 um those are all things where people saw 760 00:30:01,490 --> 00:29:59,580 what they thought they were seeing but 761 00:30:03,230 --> 00:30:01,500 perhaps there was something more to that 762 00:30:04,549 --> 00:30:03,240 or archetypally something to be said 763 00:30:06,769 --> 00:30:04,559 about 764 00:30:09,169 --> 00:30:06,779 um the mother archetype as it even 765 00:30:11,210 --> 00:30:09,179 pertains to the bledsos as if we're 766 00:30:13,010 --> 00:30:11,220 familiar with their story of kind of the 767 00:30:16,190 --> 00:30:13,020 divine feminine so it all I think kind 768 00:30:25,010 --> 00:30:20,269 yeah I think that there's hardly a UAP 769 00:30:29,029 --> 00:30:25,020 UFO contact story that doesn't involve 770 00:30:31,370 --> 00:30:29,039 lack of verbal communication and always 771 00:30:33,649 --> 00:30:31,380 seems to have some sort of Consciousness 772 00:30:37,070 --> 00:30:33,659 to Consciousness communication 773 00:30:38,810 --> 00:30:37,080 and so I mean as a data point I mean all 774 00:30:42,169 --> 00:30:38,820 of these as I've said before are 775 00:30:43,549 --> 00:30:42,179 anecdotes but and so from a again from a 776 00:30:46,130 --> 00:30:43,559 scientific standpoint individual 777 00:30:49,610 --> 00:30:46,140 anecdotes are not that useful but 778 00:30:51,710 --> 00:30:49,620 collectively uh when this seems to 779 00:30:55,330 --> 00:30:51,720 happen again and again and again you 780 00:31:00,409 --> 00:30:58,070 a colleague of mine 781 00:31:04,190 --> 00:31:00,419 um a very good colleague uh you you 782 00:31:07,490 --> 00:31:04,200 can't help but say uh 783 00:31:09,830 --> 00:31:07,500 all right this is this is a pattern 784 00:31:11,990 --> 00:31:09,840 um here you have these so-called 785 00:31:14,510 --> 00:31:12,000 entities however you however they are 786 00:31:18,230 --> 00:31:14,520 representing themselves as venusians 787 00:31:20,350 --> 00:31:18,240 Pleiadians you know future humans 788 00:31:23,090 --> 00:31:20,360 Etc there's always 789 00:31:26,810 --> 00:31:23,100 they're never speaking they're always 790 00:31:28,250 --> 00:31:26,820 thinking at you and so that's a 791 00:31:29,690 --> 00:31:28,260 Consciousness to Consciousness 792 00:31:33,409 --> 00:31:29,700 interaction 793 00:31:34,730 --> 00:31:33,419 and so again it's I think hearkening 794 00:31:36,889 --> 00:31:34,740 back to something Tyler was saying 795 00:31:41,389 --> 00:31:36,899 before it doesn't matter whether it's 796 00:31:44,990 --> 00:31:41,399 guides or you or your you know uh your 797 00:31:47,810 --> 00:31:45,000 brain system creating these objects it's 798 00:31:51,470 --> 00:31:47,820 always it it ends up in your 799 00:31:54,289 --> 00:31:51,480 Consciousness but not as a way that that 800 00:31:57,110 --> 00:31:54,299 was received materially 801 00:31:59,210 --> 00:31:57,120 through the through sound in your ears 802 00:32:03,590 --> 00:31:59,220 and and so I just find that I don't know 803 00:32:06,529 --> 00:32:03,600 I find that fascinating and and there's 804 00:32:09,230 --> 00:32:06,539 there's an agreement that it happens but 805 00:32:11,149 --> 00:32:09,240 there's no agreement on how to study the 806 00:32:13,850 --> 00:32:11,159 fact that it does happen 807 00:32:15,830 --> 00:32:13,860 and and and how that information I mean 808 00:32:16,730 --> 00:32:15,840 where does it come I mean Tyler and I 809 00:32:18,710 --> 00:32:16,740 actually 810 00:32:20,870 --> 00:32:18,720 um had a discussion about this you know 811 00:32:23,269 --> 00:32:20,880 a few months ago of 812 00:32:26,630 --> 00:32:23,279 does the does the impression come in 813 00:32:28,909 --> 00:32:26,640 through a single neuron or does it come 814 00:32:31,370 --> 00:32:28,919 through the process like the visual 815 00:32:34,970 --> 00:32:31,380 process so Tyler for instance gets a 816 00:32:39,830 --> 00:32:34,980 visual uh and then he interprets those 817 00:32:42,010 --> 00:32:39,840 symbols so okay fine how the heck does a 818 00:32:45,590 --> 00:32:42,020 complex symbol I would call it a glyph 819 00:32:46,970 --> 00:32:45,600 impose itself on a person's sensory 820 00:32:48,889 --> 00:32:46,980 apparatus 821 00:32:51,529 --> 00:32:48,899 uh and you know probably different 822 00:32:54,289 --> 00:32:51,539 people have different ly differently 823 00:32:56,149 --> 00:32:54,299 evolved or constructed sensory apparatus 824 00:32:58,310 --> 00:32:56,159 so that is the best means through which 825 00:33:01,070 --> 00:32:58,320 the signal might arrive 826 00:33:03,590 --> 00:33:01,080 so I just you know it's a complex signal 827 00:33:07,070 --> 00:33:03,600 it's not like a it's not like a morse 828 00:33:08,750 --> 00:33:07,080 code that then you decode into a 829 00:33:11,690 --> 00:33:08,760 paragraph and then you interpret the 830 00:33:13,909 --> 00:33:11,700 paragraph It's a the one time I did a 831 00:33:15,950 --> 00:33:13,919 remote viewing with a very well-known 832 00:33:18,230 --> 00:33:15,960 person who does who basically was part 833 00:33:21,470 --> 00:33:18,240 of the remote viewing program 834 00:33:23,269 --> 00:33:21,480 um the signal I got was a Gestalt and it 835 00:33:25,970 --> 00:33:23,279 was an image that was extraordinarily 836 00:33:28,250 --> 00:33:25,980 accurate and but it was a Gestalt and so 837 00:33:30,310 --> 00:33:28,260 I've wondered about that how does the 838 00:33:34,370 --> 00:33:30,320 gestaltic 839 00:33:37,070 --> 00:33:34,380 impingement occur I I don't know so but 840 00:33:38,630 --> 00:33:37,080 again it's just it's raw data and none 841 00:33:41,389 --> 00:33:38,640 of my scientists friends would would put 842 00:33:44,409 --> 00:33:41,399 up with me talking about it except over 843 00:33:46,370 --> 00:33:44,419 a few martinis 844 00:33:47,750 --> 00:33:46,380 I think one thing that I find 845 00:33:49,430 --> 00:33:47,760 fascinating is you can take it a step 846 00:33:50,870 --> 00:33:49,440 further because Tyler in some of your 847 00:33:53,389 --> 00:33:50,880 work that you actually talk about 848 00:33:54,950 --> 00:33:53,399 physical reactions that come through as 849 00:33:56,630 --> 00:33:54,960 well so that almost takes it from 850 00:33:58,970 --> 00:33:56,640 something that's happening in the brain 851 00:34:02,330 --> 00:33:58,980 and manifests into some kind of physical 852 00:34:03,830 --> 00:34:02,340 uh feeling that you get I just wondered 853 00:34:05,870 --> 00:34:03,840 if you could just sort of talk on that a 854 00:34:07,850 --> 00:34:05,880 little bit absolutely in a reading I 855 00:34:09,470 --> 00:34:07,860 really kind of liken my body to a canvas 856 00:34:11,089 --> 00:34:09,480 and to give you the visual it's almost 857 00:34:13,430 --> 00:34:11,099 like the Consciousness coming through 858 00:34:15,589 --> 00:34:13,440 Paints the picture of what they need me 859 00:34:17,389 --> 00:34:15,599 to know be it through my body be it 860 00:34:19,609 --> 00:34:17,399 through my mind but it all really 861 00:34:22,190 --> 00:34:19,619 originates in the mind is is really my 862 00:34:24,950 --> 00:34:22,200 belief as far as how that information is 863 00:34:26,570 --> 00:34:24,960 being perceived so as I go through these 864 00:34:28,430 --> 00:34:26,580 processes I have to interpret what I'm 865 00:34:30,950 --> 00:34:28,440 getting deliver it in a way that can 866 00:34:32,869 --> 00:34:30,960 make some sense but I've often wondered 867 00:34:35,450 --> 00:34:32,879 the relationship between electrical 868 00:34:37,609 --> 00:34:35,460 activity and the parent normal I know so 869 00:34:40,070 --> 00:34:37,619 little about neurology so please 870 00:34:43,250 --> 00:34:40,080 understand that it is above my pay grade 871 00:34:45,349 --> 00:34:43,260 but I've seen even in the tropes of the 872 00:34:48,230 --> 00:34:45,359 Paranormal no lights flickering on and 873 00:34:50,570 --> 00:34:48,240 off or they somehow being able to affect 874 00:34:53,030 --> 00:34:50,580 car engines as we've seen in countless 875 00:34:55,550 --> 00:34:53,040 UFO reports where engine suddenly seem 876 00:34:58,130 --> 00:34:55,560 to slow if that is possible I have 877 00:34:59,870 --> 00:34:58,140 wondered if the electrical signals 878 00:35:01,970 --> 00:34:59,880 within a person's brain might not be 879 00:35:03,950 --> 00:35:01,980 able to be tinkered with in such a way 880 00:35:06,050 --> 00:35:03,960 to facilitate certain Sensations or 881 00:35:07,430 --> 00:35:06,060 imagery I don't know but it's something 882 00:35:08,690 --> 00:35:07,440 I've considered 883 00:35:11,750 --> 00:35:08,700 um 884 00:35:13,910 --> 00:35:11,760 yeah the complexity of of how many 885 00:35:16,730 --> 00:35:13,920 places they must be able again 886 00:35:19,670 --> 00:35:16,740 speculation the complexity of all the 887 00:35:23,210 --> 00:35:19,680 different places that they must be able 888 00:35:26,930 --> 00:35:23,220 to tickle simultaneously to create 889 00:35:29,870 --> 00:35:26,940 a a signal is just mind-boggling because 890 00:35:30,790 --> 00:35:29,880 again it's not that kind of linear Morse 891 00:35:35,930 --> 00:35:30,800 code 892 00:35:37,730 --> 00:35:35,940 it's just this flash uh and so yeah the 893 00:35:40,490 --> 00:35:37,740 best word I can come up with is like a 894 00:35:42,490 --> 00:35:40,500 glyph that is passed from one mind to 895 00:35:45,290 --> 00:35:42,500 another a complex 896 00:35:46,970 --> 00:35:45,300 representation of symbols that then is 897 00:35:48,950 --> 00:35:46,980 up to and even the remote viewing 898 00:35:51,589 --> 00:35:48,960 Community would say it's up to then the 899 00:35:53,270 --> 00:35:51,599 The Interpreter to try not to interpret 900 00:35:56,150 --> 00:35:53,280 at the beginning to make sure that they 901 00:35:58,130 --> 00:35:56,160 accept the symbol uh write it down as 902 00:35:59,810 --> 00:35:58,140 quickly as possible and then and then as 903 00:36:02,870 --> 00:35:59,820 halputoff would say 904 00:36:04,670 --> 00:36:02,880 try to prevent the overlay of your 905 00:36:08,630 --> 00:36:04,680 cultural Traditions from interpreting 906 00:36:10,430 --> 00:36:08,640 the the signal to uh too much of a 907 00:36:12,890 --> 00:36:10,440 biased manner 908 00:36:14,510 --> 00:36:12,900 right right and you since you're 909 00:36:15,829 --> 00:36:14,520 bringing up you know remote viewing I 910 00:36:20,150 --> 00:36:15,839 know that's something that you both have 911 00:36:23,150 --> 00:36:20,160 dabbled in I'm really curious if you see 912 00:36:26,329 --> 00:36:23,160 a connection between remote viewing and 913 00:36:29,630 --> 00:36:26,339 the phenomenon and the in in the sense 914 00:36:32,810 --> 00:36:29,640 that the same processes may be utilized 915 00:36:34,730 --> 00:36:32,820 or perhaps we could use remote viewing 916 00:36:36,589 --> 00:36:34,740 to 917 00:36:38,089 --> 00:36:36,599 um promote contact or anything like that 918 00:36:38,870 --> 00:36:38,099 just any thoughts you may have on that 919 00:36:41,030 --> 00:36:38,880 matter 920 00:36:42,650 --> 00:36:41,040 true I would say in my own work one of 921 00:36:44,810 --> 00:36:42,660 the most fascinating parts of for 922 00:36:46,849 --> 00:36:44,820 example having a premonition is that it 923 00:36:49,310 --> 00:36:46,859 seems that if a premonition is real if I 924 00:36:50,870 --> 00:36:49,320 can sit in one space and get an 925 00:36:52,849 --> 00:36:50,880 inclination of what may happen in two 926 00:36:55,430 --> 00:36:52,859 weeks or three weeks and if that it does 927 00:36:58,310 --> 00:36:55,440 indeed happen that in my mind is the 928 00:37:00,589 --> 00:36:58,320 future calling out to the past it very 929 00:37:02,630 --> 00:37:00,599 clearly indicates that our linear 930 00:37:04,490 --> 00:37:02,640 understanding of time is at the very 931 00:37:08,210 --> 00:37:04,500 least very complicated there's a lot to 932 00:37:09,710 --> 00:37:08,220 be understood in that realm so I think 933 00:37:11,329 --> 00:37:09,720 it speaks to the fact that we are 934 00:37:13,550 --> 00:37:11,339 probably a lot more connected to one 935 00:37:15,890 --> 00:37:13,560 another than we realize for a medium to 936 00:37:17,810 --> 00:37:15,900 be able to sit with somebody and get a 937 00:37:20,030 --> 00:37:17,820 very specific understanding of someone's 938 00:37:22,310 --> 00:37:20,040 Last Words as if they were the ones 939 00:37:24,770 --> 00:37:22,320 speaking them that speaks the fact that 940 00:37:27,230 --> 00:37:24,780 Consciousness awareness is something not 941 00:37:29,510 --> 00:37:27,240 necessarily unique to our bodies that I 942 00:37:31,310 --> 00:37:29,520 believe we can connect to other people's 943 00:37:33,829 --> 00:37:31,320 Consciousness and they can connect to 944 00:37:35,810 --> 00:37:33,839 ours under the right circumstances which 945 00:37:37,790 --> 00:37:35,820 then if you kind of zoom out might speak 946 00:37:40,130 --> 00:37:37,800 to the fact and this is getting very 947 00:37:42,290 --> 00:37:40,140 very speculative but perhaps we are all 948 00:37:44,210 --> 00:37:42,300 part of the same thing perhaps there is 949 00:37:46,550 --> 00:37:44,220 a collective Consciousness that exists 950 00:37:48,349 --> 00:37:46,560 and we are little drops of water that 951 00:37:52,730 --> 00:37:48,359 kind of become part of a vast ocean of 952 00:37:59,750 --> 00:37:56,210 you know I remember that moment when you 953 00:38:01,550 --> 00:37:59,760 know kit green Jacques and I along with 954 00:38:03,470 --> 00:38:01,560 Hal and Eric Davis were all sitting in a 955 00:38:06,530 --> 00:38:03,480 room looking at these brain scans 956 00:38:09,290 --> 00:38:06,540 of the individuals who I've talked about 957 00:38:11,210 --> 00:38:09,300 uh long and and often 958 00:38:12,770 --> 00:38:11,220 um and that area of the brain that we 959 00:38:15,290 --> 00:38:12,780 saw which at the center of the basal 960 00:38:17,089 --> 00:38:15,300 ganglia the cardiac pitamin and we were 961 00:38:19,069 --> 00:38:17,099 like this seems to be in a lot of these 962 00:38:22,010 --> 00:38:19,079 people could and then I think it was Hal 963 00:38:23,810 --> 00:38:22,020 who said can you bring up the scans of 964 00:38:25,430 --> 00:38:23,820 the couple of you know high-end remote 965 00:38:26,810 --> 00:38:25,440 viewers that we have who had not been 966 00:38:29,990 --> 00:38:26,820 damaged they just we happen to have 967 00:38:34,310 --> 00:38:30,000 their scans uh kit green and lo and 968 00:38:36,530 --> 00:38:34,320 behold they had that that density in 969 00:38:39,230 --> 00:38:36,540 spades 970 00:38:41,690 --> 00:38:39,240 um and that was the Moment of clarity 971 00:38:43,849 --> 00:38:41,700 literally for me it was like wait a 972 00:38:47,930 --> 00:38:43,859 second the connection is intuition 973 00:38:50,329 --> 00:38:47,940 this is this is an area that is uh 974 00:38:52,250 --> 00:38:50,339 somehow consolidating or taking the 975 00:38:54,410 --> 00:38:52,260 information from all areas of the brain 976 00:38:56,210 --> 00:38:54,420 and consolidating it and that the better 977 00:38:59,030 --> 00:38:56,220 your processing center the more 978 00:39:02,810 --> 00:38:59,040 simultaneous processors you can run the 979 00:39:05,089 --> 00:39:02,820 more you can Intuit per unit time 980 00:39:07,370 --> 00:39:05,099 um and it actually wasn't until I found 981 00:39:10,130 --> 00:39:07,380 and I started then looking at all of the 982 00:39:13,130 --> 00:39:10,140 books or all of the okay well is the is 983 00:39:15,770 --> 00:39:13,140 this area of the brain related to 984 00:39:16,790 --> 00:39:15,780 um to PSY right what is the words and 985 00:39:18,170 --> 00:39:16,800 the only words you've been I mean the 986 00:39:21,170 --> 00:39:18,180 areas of the brain are basically the 987 00:39:24,290 --> 00:39:21,180 pineal gland and when I came up with a 988 00:39:26,810 --> 00:39:24,300 search of of This Woman's book and then 989 00:39:29,270 --> 00:39:26,820 read the you know the content of what 990 00:39:32,150 --> 00:39:29,280 she was saying here who was a famous 991 00:39:34,010 --> 00:39:32,160 medium from uh literally 30 40 years ago 992 00:39:38,270 --> 00:39:34,020 she literally called out the caudette 993 00:39:41,030 --> 00:39:38,280 patamon as the as the center of of these 994 00:39:43,069 --> 00:39:41,040 processes I mean this is literally two 995 00:39:45,050 --> 00:39:43,079 years after I was born she had already 996 00:39:49,069 --> 00:39:45,060 called out this area the brain is being 997 00:39:52,310 --> 00:39:49,079 important for intuition and only wow 998 00:39:54,530 --> 00:39:52,320 um only in the last five years have 999 00:39:56,089 --> 00:39:54,540 people accepted that the basal ganglia 1000 00:39:57,410 --> 00:39:56,099 is involved in anything other than motor 1001 00:39:59,150 --> 00:39:57,420 function 1002 00:40:01,370 --> 00:39:59,160 I mean she's got this whole section here 1003 00:40:02,690 --> 00:40:01,380 of these night visions and night dreams 1004 00:40:04,849 --> 00:40:02,700 and classes she would go through have 1005 00:40:09,410 --> 00:40:04,859 you read this Tyler I never have but I 1006 00:40:11,630 --> 00:40:09,420 am now yeah absolutely I mean she uses 1007 00:40:12,250 --> 00:40:11,640 mostly the you know 1008 00:40:14,870 --> 00:40:12,260 um 1009 00:40:17,329 --> 00:40:14,880 Hindu interpretations of it which is 1010 00:40:19,609 --> 00:40:17,339 fine but she literally calls out the 1011 00:40:23,390 --> 00:40:19,619 caudate uh as being the center of future 1012 00:40:26,270 --> 00:40:23,400 uh Evolution for human consciousness and 1013 00:40:28,430 --> 00:40:26,280 she basically calls it the antenna and I 1014 00:40:31,190 --> 00:40:28,440 remember when I found that I was like I 1015 00:40:33,470 --> 00:40:31,200 I was like okay this has got to be with 1016 00:40:35,089 --> 00:40:33,480 this is way more again this is a 1017 00:40:37,130 --> 00:40:35,099 synchronistic moment 1018 00:40:39,710 --> 00:40:37,140 you know it's proof of nothing except 1019 00:40:42,349 --> 00:40:39,720 that then we went and did the we 1020 00:40:44,390 --> 00:40:42,359 actually did the the retrospective and 1021 00:40:46,310 --> 00:40:44,400 prospective analyzes of brain regions 1022 00:40:48,890 --> 00:40:46,320 with this Harvard group and we published 1023 00:40:50,630 --> 00:40:48,900 on lo and behold the caudate is exactly 1024 00:40:52,550 --> 00:40:50,640 as we predicted it and then about 1025 00:40:54,770 --> 00:40:52,560 probably two dozen other researchers 1026 00:40:57,290 --> 00:40:54,780 about the same time have been pointing 1027 00:40:58,310 --> 00:40:57,300 out this area as being important for 1028 00:41:00,310 --> 00:40:58,320 that 1029 00:41:02,569 --> 00:41:00,320 um distilling of the complex information 1030 00:41:04,010 --> 00:41:02,579 and then represent it's called the brain 1031 00:41:05,630 --> 00:41:04,020 within the brain 1032 00:41:07,910 --> 00:41:05,640 I mean this is the brain within this is 1033 00:41:10,010 --> 00:41:07,920 what the what what scientists call it 1034 00:41:12,410 --> 00:41:10,020 now the brain within the brain is this 1035 00:41:13,910 --> 00:41:12,420 processing center 1036 00:41:17,810 --> 00:41:13,920 um so anyway 1037 00:41:19,550 --> 00:41:17,820 um that to me is so I you know I you 1038 00:41:21,410 --> 00:41:19,560 know I joked with Tyler about it I'm 1039 00:41:24,290 --> 00:41:21,420 going to put him under you know in this 1040 00:41:27,650 --> 00:41:24,300 kind of Frankenstein device and look at 1041 00:41:29,710 --> 00:41:27,660 him not concerning at all no on my good 1042 00:41:32,030 --> 00:41:29,720 side if we're gonna assemble me together 1043 00:41:35,390 --> 00:41:32,040 yeah it's 1044 00:41:37,849 --> 00:41:35,400 um to you know put to measure the you 1045 00:41:39,589 --> 00:41:37,859 know the what happens in the brains of 1046 00:41:41,750 --> 00:41:39,599 someone like sorry Tyler for using who's 1047 00:41:45,050 --> 00:41:41,760 the guinea pig here uh what happens the 1048 00:41:47,990 --> 00:41:45,060 brains of someone like Tyler when they 1049 00:41:49,370 --> 00:41:48,000 are achieving that moment both before 1050 00:41:53,270 --> 00:41:49,380 and after 1051 00:41:55,790 --> 00:41:53,280 right and um and so to me that is you 1052 00:41:58,910 --> 00:41:55,800 know there's I just find it fascinating 1053 00:42:01,270 --> 00:41:58,920 yeah uh to be able to to eventually do 1054 00:42:03,349 --> 00:42:01,280 with permission 1055 00:42:04,730 --> 00:42:03,359 how much should be said about Altered 1056 00:42:07,310 --> 00:42:04,740 States Of Consciousness I would be 1057 00:42:09,290 --> 00:42:07,320 fascinated to to see what happens in 1058 00:42:12,829 --> 00:42:09,300 that area of research 1059 00:42:15,410 --> 00:42:12,839 yeah I have about 35 follow-up questions 1060 00:42:16,670 --> 00:42:15,420 but I'm going to limit it to a two-part 1061 00:42:18,530 --> 00:42:16,680 question 1062 00:42:19,730 --> 00:42:18,540 um okay so the first one I had you kind 1063 00:42:21,230 --> 00:42:19,740 of touched on Gary's you talked about 1064 00:42:23,450 --> 00:42:21,240 prospective and and you know 1065 00:42:25,970 --> 00:42:23,460 retrospective Studies have they looked 1066 00:42:28,370 --> 00:42:25,980 at the temporal relationship between the 1067 00:42:30,950 --> 00:42:28,380 caudate putamen and intuition meaning 1068 00:42:33,950 --> 00:42:30,960 are folks who naturally have a higher 1069 00:42:36,589 --> 00:42:33,960 density having these these results these 1070 00:42:39,530 --> 00:42:36,599 experiences as a result or is it a 1071 00:42:41,630 --> 00:42:39,540 neuroplast plasticity relationship where 1072 00:42:44,150 --> 00:42:41,640 people who have been remote viewing for 1073 00:42:46,310 --> 00:42:44,160 years develop a higher density have they 1074 00:42:47,750 --> 00:42:46,320 looked at all I don't know no one's done 1075 00:42:50,690 --> 00:42:47,760 anything like that 1076 00:42:52,490 --> 00:42:50,700 um I mean all that has been done is and 1077 00:42:55,550 --> 00:42:52,500 I've talked about this publicly is that 1078 00:42:57,050 --> 00:42:55,560 there's if you do functional MRI and you 1079 00:42:59,510 --> 00:42:57,060 look at the area of the brain that's 1080 00:43:00,829 --> 00:42:59,520 using sugar through functional MRI 1081 00:43:02,870 --> 00:43:00,839 that's kind of what it's doing is saying 1082 00:43:04,270 --> 00:43:02,880 there's energy usage here 1083 00:43:07,370 --> 00:43:04,280 um 1084 00:43:09,349 --> 00:43:07,380 chess players in Japan it's using a sort 1085 00:43:12,309 --> 00:43:09,359 of a simplified version of chess 1086 00:43:15,770 --> 00:43:12,319 when they make that unexpectedly 1087 00:43:18,770 --> 00:43:15,780 brilliant move that is not linear this 1088 00:43:20,990 --> 00:43:18,780 is the area of the brain that lights up 1089 00:43:23,270 --> 00:43:21,000 um and uh and again there's been now 1090 00:43:26,210 --> 00:43:23,280 numerous studies that basically show 1091 00:43:29,510 --> 00:43:26,220 that whatever intuition is uh the 1092 00:43:31,370 --> 00:43:29,520 caudate plays a very large role in it I 1093 00:43:32,870 --> 00:43:31,380 mean the studies that we've published on 1094 00:43:34,190 --> 00:43:32,880 now show that frankly it's not just the 1095 00:43:36,170 --> 00:43:34,200 call date I mean you you can't just 1096 00:43:37,550 --> 00:43:36,180 produce or receive more information in 1097 00:43:39,650 --> 00:43:37,560 one area of the brain unless there's a 1098 00:43:40,970 --> 00:43:39,660 unless there's a a receiver in the other 1099 00:43:42,950 --> 00:43:40,980 area of the brain that's capable of 1100 00:43:45,230 --> 00:43:42,960 either delivering or or receiving and 1101 00:43:48,050 --> 00:43:45,240 processing that data so what we find is 1102 00:43:49,790 --> 00:43:48,060 that there are the the neuronal tracts 1103 00:43:51,349 --> 00:43:49,800 that go between the caudate basal 1104 00:43:55,790 --> 00:43:51,359 ganglia to other areas of the brain 1105 00:43:58,190 --> 00:43:55,800 memory emotion Etc are reciprocally uh 1106 00:44:00,710 --> 00:43:58,200 either increased or decreased in these 1107 00:44:03,410 --> 00:44:00,720 individuals so it's not a single area of 1108 00:44:06,650 --> 00:44:03,420 the brain that is important uh it 1109 00:44:09,050 --> 00:44:06,660 actually is a network uh that must be 1110 00:44:10,970 --> 00:44:09,060 that in some ways is compensatory and 1111 00:44:12,890 --> 00:44:10,980 frankly again Loops back to the 1112 00:44:15,470 --> 00:44:12,900 beginning of what the title of your 1113 00:44:17,510 --> 00:44:15,480 podcast is all about the neurotypes that 1114 00:44:19,790 --> 00:44:17,520 there's many different ways to structure 1115 00:44:21,290 --> 00:44:19,800 the brain to frankly accomplish the same 1116 00:44:24,470 --> 00:44:21,300 goal it doesn't mean you have to look 1117 00:44:27,410 --> 00:44:24,480 like this to have that there's probably 1118 00:44:29,930 --> 00:44:27,420 many ways I mean in in my cancer work 1119 00:44:32,210 --> 00:44:29,940 it's all about the networks and how 1120 00:44:36,050 --> 00:44:32,220 networks process information and can and 1121 00:44:39,589 --> 00:44:36,060 can one compensatory node can can deal 1122 00:44:44,870 --> 00:44:41,930 um and so but what's good about that is 1123 00:44:46,730 --> 00:44:44,880 what's interesting about networks is uh 1124 00:44:49,609 --> 00:44:46,740 we're not getting too biological if you 1125 00:44:51,230 --> 00:44:49,619 have a complex protein structure of 1126 00:44:53,390 --> 00:44:51,240 multiple proteins 1127 00:44:55,490 --> 00:44:53,400 it turns out that you can make a drug 1128 00:44:57,890 --> 00:44:55,500 against many of those different proteins 1129 00:44:59,510 --> 00:44:57,900 Each of which will accomplish the goal 1130 00:45:01,550 --> 00:44:59,520 that you're seeking which is to either 1131 00:45:03,650 --> 00:45:01,560 anti-cancer or turn something on or turn 1132 00:45:05,870 --> 00:45:03,660 something off so similarly if you think 1133 00:45:08,870 --> 00:45:05,880 about that as a net there's many strings 1134 00:45:11,150 --> 00:45:08,880 on the network you can pluck 1135 00:45:14,270 --> 00:45:11,160 should perhaps change 1136 00:45:15,829 --> 00:45:14,280 Consciousness functions in ways that are 1137 00:45:17,630 --> 00:45:15,839 useful 1138 00:45:19,910 --> 00:45:17,640 or in the case I think of some people 1139 00:45:22,309 --> 00:45:19,920 and I've said this before who let's say 1140 00:45:23,930 --> 00:45:22,319 some people who might end up with mental 1141 00:45:25,430 --> 00:45:23,940 health issues because they just don't 1142 00:45:26,930 --> 00:45:25,440 know how to turn it off 1143 00:45:28,010 --> 00:45:26,940 they're just receiving too much 1144 00:45:30,410 --> 00:45:28,020 information 1145 00:45:32,450 --> 00:45:30,420 and so you know how do we help people 1146 00:45:33,890 --> 00:45:32,460 like that and not think of them as 1147 00:45:36,170 --> 00:45:33,900 having mental health problems but 1148 00:45:40,430 --> 00:45:36,180 they're basically just more aware of the 1149 00:45:44,450 --> 00:45:40,440 universe uh in its in its naked 1150 00:45:47,890 --> 00:45:45,589 yeah 1151 00:45:49,370 --> 00:45:47,900 I mean to that point 1152 00:45:51,950 --> 00:45:49,380 Hoffman's out there saying that 1153 00:45:54,010 --> 00:45:51,960 basically we only need to see enough 1154 00:45:56,450 --> 00:45:54,020 to pass on our genes 1155 00:45:59,470 --> 00:45:56,460 right we don't need to see it all and if 1156 00:46:03,410 --> 00:45:59,480 we did we'd probably you know dissolve 1157 00:46:04,730 --> 00:46:03,420 you know in a go ahead Tyler I I love 1158 00:46:08,270 --> 00:46:04,740 that you said that because I'm curious 1159 00:46:09,950 --> 00:46:08,280 as far as as it pertains to gay people 1160 00:46:12,710 --> 00:46:09,960 and there being something to be said 1161 00:46:14,990 --> 00:46:12,720 about a higher prevalence of gay people 1162 00:46:16,790 --> 00:46:15,000 or people who are questioning or fall 1163 00:46:19,910 --> 00:46:16,800 somewhere in that middle ground 1164 00:46:22,790 --> 00:46:19,920 um that are open to intuitive faculties 1165 00:46:25,309 --> 00:46:22,800 developing them themselves I've wondered 1166 00:46:27,710 --> 00:46:25,319 if that's nature versus nurture if gay 1167 00:46:29,510 --> 00:46:27,720 people might have early experiences of 1168 00:46:31,250 --> 00:46:29,520 being rejected by traditional religion 1169 00:46:34,250 --> 00:46:31,260 and therefore might Embrace Alternatives 1170 00:46:35,990 --> 00:46:34,260 and perhaps that need to be treated one 1171 00:46:38,089 --> 00:46:36,000 is allows them to explore new 1172 00:46:40,250 --> 00:46:38,099 possibilities that perhaps others aren't 1173 00:46:42,230 --> 00:46:40,260 however I'm not necessarily sold on that 1174 00:46:44,270 --> 00:46:42,240 idea I've really genuinely wondered if 1175 00:46:48,050 --> 00:46:44,280 there is something to be said about our 1176 00:46:51,710 --> 00:46:48,060 makeup informing our barrier thickness 1177 00:46:53,329 --> 00:46:51,720 sometimes yes at least yeah no yeah I 1178 00:46:55,370 --> 00:46:53,339 agree I mean I've I've wondered it 1179 00:46:56,809 --> 00:46:55,380 myself and it would I I always try to 1180 00:46:58,250 --> 00:46:56,819 shy away from it because it sounds too 1181 00:47:00,170 --> 00:46:58,260 much like you know one is patting 1182 00:47:02,030 --> 00:47:00,180 oneself on the back 1183 00:47:04,550 --> 00:47:02,040 um and I want to try to you know stay 1184 00:47:06,890 --> 00:47:04,560 away from that but I mean it certainly 1185 00:47:09,349 --> 00:47:06,900 is true you know I don't think this is 1186 00:47:13,069 --> 00:47:09,359 this is uh 1187 00:47:15,170 --> 00:47:13,079 um being uh I don't know uh bigoted in 1188 00:47:18,349 --> 00:47:15,180 any way you know it's it's pretty clear 1189 00:47:20,990 --> 00:47:18,359 that amongst uh the you know the let's 1190 00:47:23,030 --> 00:47:21,000 say the the more gender fluid there is 1191 00:47:26,030 --> 00:47:23,040 more creative 1192 00:47:28,730 --> 00:47:26,040 uh impulse and allowance you know you're 1193 00:47:30,650 --> 00:47:28,740 you're allowed to step outside of the 1194 00:47:32,450 --> 00:47:30,660 boundaries I mean the best science I 1195 00:47:34,309 --> 00:47:32,460 mean it doesn't have to be you know gay 1196 00:47:37,309 --> 00:47:34,319 or gender or anything the best science 1197 00:47:39,290 --> 00:47:37,319 is always when you are you allow 1198 00:47:41,990 --> 00:47:39,300 yourself to see beyond the walls of what 1199 00:47:44,990 --> 00:47:42,000 somebody else previously defined for you 1200 00:47:46,790 --> 00:47:45,000 and so to the extent that any of us 1201 00:47:48,230 --> 00:47:46,800 through whatever experiences in our 1202 00:47:50,329 --> 00:47:48,240 lives whether it's being gay or 1203 00:47:52,910 --> 00:47:50,339 something else you know being a woman 1204 00:47:54,829 --> 00:47:52,920 dealing uh with a man's world or frankly 1205 00:47:56,450 --> 00:47:54,839 being a certain kind of man and dealing 1206 00:48:00,050 --> 00:47:56,460 with a man's world and not wanting to 1207 00:48:01,849 --> 00:48:00,060 conform to ultra masculine uh 1208 00:48:04,849 --> 00:48:01,859 stereotypes 1209 00:48:07,370 --> 00:48:04,859 um that for everybody is a way to Step 1210 00:48:08,569 --> 00:48:07,380 Beyond the walls 1211 00:48:13,309 --> 00:48:08,579 right 1212 00:48:15,470 --> 00:48:13,319 and Ducks induces some of that that 1213 00:48:17,210 --> 00:48:15,480 liminal thinking and the anti-structure 1214 00:48:20,089 --> 00:48:17,220 that we were talking about earlier you 1215 00:48:21,950 --> 00:48:20,099 know so whether like it could be a part 1216 00:48:24,170 --> 00:48:21,960 of the part of the equation too 1217 00:48:25,970 --> 00:48:24,180 mm-hmm yeah and if you look at young as 1218 00:48:28,130 --> 00:48:25,980 well and his archetypes he introduces 1219 00:48:30,829 --> 00:48:28,140 sexuality into some of his archetypes 1220 00:48:32,870 --> 00:48:30,839 quite quite frequently so you know it 1221 00:48:34,490 --> 00:48:32,880 does all intertwine in the way that the 1222 00:48:36,349 --> 00:48:34,500 of the things that we're discussing so I 1223 00:48:37,730 --> 00:48:36,359 find that really fascinating absolutely 1224 00:48:39,829 --> 00:48:37,740 even looking in Greek and Roman 1225 00:48:41,930 --> 00:48:39,839 archetypes of hermaphroditus this kind 1226 00:48:43,670 --> 00:48:41,940 of amalgamation of Hermes and Aphrodite 1227 00:48:46,250 --> 00:48:43,680 you have very masculine and very 1228 00:48:47,990 --> 00:48:46,260 feminine you have the trickster and uh 1229 00:48:50,630 --> 00:48:48,000 you know that aspect all kind of 1230 00:48:54,230 --> 00:48:50,640 together in this gender-neutral or at 1231 00:48:56,270 --> 00:48:54,240 least fluid ambiguous landscape and that 1232 00:48:59,150 --> 00:48:56,280 really I think is the key word ambiguity 1233 00:49:01,609 --> 00:48:59,160 so much paranormal is ambiguous some 1234 00:49:03,650 --> 00:49:01,619 people Revel in those ambiguous areas 1235 00:49:05,809 --> 00:49:03,660 like myself and then others find 1236 00:49:08,089 --> 00:49:05,819 ambiguity absolutely terrifying and 1237 00:49:11,809 --> 00:49:08,099 something to be destroyed so it speaks 1238 00:49:13,309 --> 00:49:11,819 to the The Human Experience 1239 00:49:16,910 --> 00:49:13,319 yeah 1240 00:49:19,730 --> 00:49:16,920 absolutely absolutely well I Vinnie do 1241 00:49:21,050 --> 00:49:19,740 you maybe want to take us over to some 1242 00:49:23,510 --> 00:49:21,060 viewer questions I know we're getting 1243 00:49:25,130 --> 00:49:23,520 close on time here and I want to show 1244 00:49:28,010 --> 00:49:25,140 yeah 1245 00:49:30,349 --> 00:49:28,020 quick shout out to a couple of people 1246 00:49:32,930 --> 00:49:30,359 who have donated so uh papa bear thank 1247 00:49:35,589 --> 00:49:32,940 you so much for the donation and Owen 1248 00:49:38,930 --> 00:49:35,599 from Ohio thank you so much Daniel 1249 00:49:41,270 --> 00:49:38,940 bogazewski thank you so much and then Mr 1250 00:49:43,849 --> 00:49:41,280 carlhood thank you again with a question 1251 00:49:46,430 --> 00:49:43,859 for Gary what is Gary's interpretation 1252 00:49:48,109 --> 00:49:46,440 of Eric W Davis's claims that the immune 1253 00:49:50,030 --> 00:49:48,119 system acts like an antenna to the 1254 00:49:52,490 --> 00:49:50,040 phenomena is he implying that the 1255 00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:52,500 phenomena works like the force Star Wars 1256 00:49:57,069 --> 00:49:55,170 through some kind of midichlorians 1257 00:49:59,329 --> 00:49:57,079 [Laughter] 1258 00:50:00,490 --> 00:49:59,339 those midi Floridians always made my 1259 00:50:03,109 --> 00:50:00,500 skin crawl 1260 00:50:05,390 --> 00:50:03,119 it was like when in E.T they come 1261 00:50:10,490 --> 00:50:05,400 screaming out of the tent he's got DNA 1262 00:50:14,329 --> 00:50:13,190 um actually it was wasn't Eric Davis uh 1263 00:50:17,510 --> 00:50:14,339 it was actually 1264 00:50:19,250 --> 00:50:17,520 um Colin Kelleher Eric has repeated that 1265 00:50:22,250 --> 00:50:19,260 but you know it was actually one of the 1266 00:50:25,670 --> 00:50:22,260 white papers that um a swap or atip 1267 00:50:28,069 --> 00:50:25,680 wrote and the idea was not so much that 1268 00:50:30,109 --> 00:50:28,079 it was somehow purposefully listening 1269 00:50:32,630 --> 00:50:30,119 the immune system it's just that the 1270 00:50:34,550 --> 00:50:32,640 inflammatory processes are like one of 1271 00:50:37,970 --> 00:50:34,560 the first things that happen when you're 1272 00:50:40,730 --> 00:50:37,980 challenged uh at least bodily you know 1273 00:50:42,890 --> 00:50:40,740 uh so the immune system is the first 1274 00:50:46,069 --> 00:50:42,900 place where what are called literally 1275 00:50:47,630 --> 00:50:46,079 alarmons you cut yourself and alarms get 1276 00:50:49,190 --> 00:50:47,640 released they're generically called 1277 00:50:51,290 --> 00:50:49,200 alarms but they're things like cytokines 1278 00:50:53,870 --> 00:50:51,300 and things like that that basically are 1279 00:50:57,650 --> 00:50:53,880 telling the immune system come 1280 00:50:59,809 --> 00:50:57,660 um and to a certain extent there are 1281 00:51:01,730 --> 00:50:59,819 let's say short-term memory in the 1282 00:51:03,950 --> 00:51:01,740 immune system and then there's long-term 1283 00:51:05,930 --> 00:51:03,960 memory a long-term memory you're like B 1284 00:51:09,049 --> 00:51:05,940 cells and T cells 1285 00:51:12,470 --> 00:51:09,059 um and so it was that original paper 1286 00:51:14,569 --> 00:51:12,480 that they had written that caused them 1287 00:51:17,450 --> 00:51:14,579 and others to come to my office that day 1288 00:51:20,510 --> 00:51:17,460 when they were looking for somebody to 1289 00:51:23,390 --> 00:51:20,520 help them with studying the people who'd 1290 00:51:25,609 --> 00:51:23,400 been hurt not because I had any special 1291 00:51:27,710 --> 00:51:25,619 knowledge of brain but because the 1292 00:51:29,150 --> 00:51:27,720 immune system was something that I 1293 00:51:31,309 --> 00:51:29,160 specialized in and at the time and 1294 00:51:34,849 --> 00:51:31,319 actually still we have and had the best 1295 00:51:36,109 --> 00:51:34,859 immune system analysis tool for looking 1296 00:51:38,089 --> 00:51:36,119 at things and so they were really 1297 00:51:40,970 --> 00:51:38,099 following up on some of the earlier 1298 00:51:42,589 --> 00:51:40,980 stuff that that Eric will call him and 1299 00:51:44,510 --> 00:51:42,599 and Eric had been involved themselves 1300 00:51:45,530 --> 00:51:44,520 with you know a lot of people and I'm 1301 00:51:48,290 --> 00:51:45,540 just going to say this a lot of people 1302 00:51:50,630 --> 00:51:48,300 said that you know they were trying to 1303 00:51:53,450 --> 00:51:50,640 use people as guinea pigs that is 1304 00:51:55,430 --> 00:51:53,460 absolutely incorrect the the thing was 1305 00:51:58,609 --> 00:51:55,440 to say was that if there has been 1306 00:52:02,390 --> 00:51:58,619 evidence or if there are interactions to 1307 00:52:04,849 --> 00:52:02,400 the extent that we can uh you know make 1308 00:52:06,170 --> 00:52:04,859 make use of that information 1309 00:52:07,370 --> 00:52:06,180 um let's not throw the baby out with the 1310 00:52:09,950 --> 00:52:07,380 bath water let's collect that let's 1311 00:52:12,890 --> 00:52:09,960 collect that data as we can but no one 1312 00:52:13,970 --> 00:52:12,900 no one ever was was saying let's put 1313 00:52:15,349 --> 00:52:13,980 people out in the middle of the field 1314 00:52:16,510 --> 00:52:15,359 tie them to a stake and wait for the 1315 00:52:18,110 --> 00:52:16,520 uaps 1316 00:52:22,670 --> 00:52:18,120 that's next year 1317 00:52:24,370 --> 00:52:22,680 [Laughter] 1318 00:52:26,690 --> 00:52:24,380 no thank you 1319 00:52:29,270 --> 00:52:26,700 my next question comes from Benji and 1320 00:52:31,849 --> 00:52:29,280 this is both for for Tyler and Gary 1321 00:52:34,190 --> 00:52:31,859 um why are Western societies religious 1322 00:52:36,730 --> 00:52:34,200 and the medical scientific bodies so 1323 00:52:39,290 --> 00:52:36,740 resistant to factor in eastern practices 1324 00:52:41,770 --> 00:52:39,300 I.E meditation spiritual practices 1325 00:52:44,630 --> 00:52:41,780 chakra systems Etc 1326 00:52:46,609 --> 00:52:44,640 Tyler you start I've chatted enough well 1327 00:52:50,410 --> 00:52:46,619 again I think that that is a subject 1328 00:52:52,430 --> 00:52:50,420 that spans philosophy sociology 1329 00:52:54,589 --> 00:52:52,440 anthropology as to where those 1330 00:52:57,049 --> 00:52:54,599 differences lie um in the Eastern versus 1331 00:52:59,109 --> 00:52:57,059 Western mindsets I would say I think 1332 00:53:01,670 --> 00:52:59,119 that we have a more capitalistic 1333 00:53:03,470 --> 00:53:01,680 materialist-based Society in the west 1334 00:53:05,210 --> 00:53:03,480 and that certainly seems to inform 1335 00:53:07,069 --> 00:53:05,220 certain aspects of what people 1336 00:53:08,390 --> 00:53:07,079 prioritize what they're open to and what 1337 00:53:11,210 --> 00:53:08,400 they're not 1338 00:53:13,670 --> 00:53:11,220 um I think you know there has been this 1339 00:53:14,750 --> 00:53:13,680 idea that we can't be comfortable with 1340 00:53:17,809 --> 00:53:14,760 ambiguity 1341 00:53:19,250 --> 00:53:17,819 in a lot of cases and again I'm very 1342 00:53:21,410 --> 00:53:19,260 comfortable with ambiguity when we talk 1343 00:53:23,150 --> 00:53:21,420 about Eastern medicine Western medicine 1344 00:53:25,250 --> 00:53:23,160 I always like to view it as 1345 00:53:27,170 --> 00:53:25,260 complementary not that necessarily there 1346 00:53:28,790 --> 00:53:27,180 is one or the other but that in the 1347 00:53:29,990 --> 00:53:28,800 accordance of both that there can be 1348 00:53:31,609 --> 00:53:30,000 Harmony 1349 00:53:33,650 --> 00:53:31,619 um but again that makes people very 1350 00:53:35,990 --> 00:53:33,660 uncomfortable people want one or the 1351 00:53:37,790 --> 00:53:36,000 other black or white and the Paranormal 1352 00:53:41,270 --> 00:53:37,800 and much of what even I do I believe 1353 00:53:43,730 --> 00:53:41,280 exists in that gray area that is just a 1354 00:53:45,589 --> 00:53:43,740 characteristic of the phenomena 1355 00:53:48,589 --> 00:53:45,599 I think luckily 1356 00:53:52,490 --> 00:53:48,599 the line is moving I mean you know you 1357 00:53:54,470 --> 00:53:52,500 can look at I mean at Stanford we you 1358 00:53:56,630 --> 00:53:54,480 know that they do you know they stick 1359 00:53:58,490 --> 00:53:56,640 they stick pins in people you know is 1360 00:54:01,190 --> 00:53:58,500 something that 10 20 years ago was 1361 00:54:03,530 --> 00:54:01,200 laughed at right I mean there are you 1362 00:54:05,450 --> 00:54:03,540 know in the department of Psychiatry uh 1363 00:54:06,589 --> 00:54:05,460 and I'm good friends with the chair she 1364 00:54:09,829 --> 00:54:06,599 actually used to literally live right 1365 00:54:13,190 --> 00:54:09,839 next door to me until recently 1366 00:54:15,890 --> 00:54:13,200 um you know they they use uh Eastern 1367 00:54:18,589 --> 00:54:15,900 Traditions they are in some of the 1368 00:54:20,450 --> 00:54:18,599 psychiatric uh work they're they're 1369 00:54:22,130 --> 00:54:20,460 investigating the use of psychedelics 1370 00:54:23,510 --> 00:54:22,140 which is right out of shamanic 1371 00:54:27,170 --> 00:54:23,520 Traditions I mean every one of those 1372 00:54:30,349 --> 00:54:27,180 psychedelics came from shamans uh and so 1373 00:54:32,089 --> 00:54:30,359 I think it's because the evidence 1374 00:54:35,089 --> 00:54:32,099 is pointing 1375 00:54:37,849 --> 00:54:35,099 to some inherent truthfulness here 1376 00:54:39,890 --> 00:54:37,859 and so you know I I think in the best of 1377 00:54:42,710 --> 00:54:39,900 scientific Traditions to give let's say 1378 00:54:45,890 --> 00:54:42,720 credit to Western uh 1379 00:54:47,569 --> 00:54:45,900 um Society being willing to start to be 1380 00:54:50,750 --> 00:54:47,579 open to this sort of stuff there isn't 1381 00:54:52,190 --> 00:54:50,760 there isn't a a an openness that is 1382 00:54:54,410 --> 00:54:52,200 expanding 1383 00:54:56,569 --> 00:54:54,420 um and so I'm quite happy for that I 1384 00:55:00,470 --> 00:54:56,579 mean is it going to happen like that no 1385 00:55:02,089 --> 00:55:00,480 because many of the claims of let's say 1386 00:55:04,250 --> 00:55:02,099 the some of the new age philosophies are 1387 00:55:06,770 --> 00:55:04,260 a little bit beyond but there's enough 1388 00:55:08,690 --> 00:55:06,780 truth in them that some people like me 1389 00:55:10,490 --> 00:55:08,700 and others are paying attention and 1390 00:55:15,910 --> 00:55:10,500 saying okay well how can I how can I 1391 00:55:20,569 --> 00:55:18,770 interesting yeah 1392 00:55:21,650 --> 00:55:20,579 um next question I've got in fact I'm 1393 00:55:23,329 --> 00:55:21,660 just going to give a quick shout out 1394 00:55:25,190 --> 00:55:23,339 Carolina thank you so much for the 1395 00:55:26,809 --> 00:55:25,200 donation and Melody as well really 1396 00:55:29,030 --> 00:55:26,819 appreciate it 1397 00:55:31,130 --> 00:55:29,040 I've got a question here for Tyler from 1398 00:55:32,750 --> 00:55:31,140 your name she says dear Tyler I want to 1399 00:55:35,150 --> 00:55:32,760 thank you for being a great teacher for 1400 00:55:37,430 --> 00:55:35,160 me and having this gift I used to be so 1401 00:55:39,230 --> 00:55:37,440 scared and now I understand how was it 1402 00:55:42,470 --> 00:55:39,240 for you in the beginning and how did you 1403 00:55:44,030 --> 00:55:42,480 find the understanding love you well 1404 00:55:45,650 --> 00:55:44,040 thank you so much I so appreciate that 1405 00:55:47,450 --> 00:55:45,660 you know I think we all have intuitive 1406 00:55:50,030 --> 00:55:47,460 faculties we all have an inner tuition 1407 00:55:51,290 --> 00:55:50,040 and I think we can see that from when we 1408 00:55:53,569 --> 00:55:51,300 shake someone's hand and get a first 1409 00:55:55,190 --> 00:55:53,579 impression to when our little dog is 1410 00:55:56,809 --> 00:55:55,200 perhaps looking at us and we got a kind 1411 00:55:58,549 --> 00:55:56,819 of Intuit okay is that the food look or 1412 00:56:00,829 --> 00:55:58,559 that I gotta go potty look 1413 00:56:02,870 --> 00:56:00,839 um you know we use the tuition on it on 1414 00:56:04,910 --> 00:56:02,880 a day-to-day basis and so I think for me 1415 00:56:06,950 --> 00:56:04,920 getting understanding was really a 1416 00:56:09,530 --> 00:56:06,960 process of trust in my own experience 1417 00:56:10,490 --> 00:56:09,540 people often ask if I had mentors and I 1418 00:56:12,770 --> 00:56:10,500 really have found that the greatest 1419 00:56:14,390 --> 00:56:12,780 Mentor has been trying to delve deeper 1420 00:56:16,190 --> 00:56:14,400 into self-awareness to try to become 1421 00:56:18,230 --> 00:56:16,200 more of myself to be familiar with 1422 00:56:19,970 --> 00:56:18,240 myself creatively and The more I've done 1423 00:56:21,890 --> 00:56:19,980 this the more I've kind of created an 1424 00:56:24,890 --> 00:56:21,900 inner world that allows me to navigate 1425 00:56:26,210 --> 00:56:24,900 the outer World accordingly so I think 1426 00:56:29,150 --> 00:56:26,220 that's the beauty of experiencers 1427 00:56:30,890 --> 00:56:29,160 whether they are medium experiencers UFO 1428 00:56:33,170 --> 00:56:30,900 experiencers I think we all can relate 1429 00:56:35,089 --> 00:56:33,180 to that feeling of divisiveness of not 1430 00:56:37,250 --> 00:56:35,099 being necessarily understood by others 1431 00:56:38,870 --> 00:56:37,260 but work is being done and I think 1432 00:56:42,890 --> 00:56:38,880 owning your experiencing and sharing it 1433 00:56:45,890 --> 00:56:42,900 is is a start in getting acceptance 1434 00:56:48,290 --> 00:56:45,900 yeah yeah thank you for that now um and 1435 00:56:50,650 --> 00:56:48,300 then I have uh I just had an anonymous 1436 00:56:54,530 --> 00:56:50,660 question pop in here so if I do okay 1437 00:56:58,069 --> 00:56:54,540 okay so this person's a little shy they 1438 00:57:00,290 --> 00:56:58,079 said Tyler I haven't 1439 00:57:02,650 --> 00:57:00,300 seen any interviews before where you 1440 00:57:05,870 --> 00:57:02,660 discussed why you're interested in UFOs 1441 00:57:07,250 --> 00:57:05,880 how does that connect to your work as a 1442 00:57:08,569 --> 00:57:07,260 medium and could you tell us a little 1443 00:57:10,309 --> 00:57:08,579 more about that 1444 00:57:12,170 --> 00:57:10,319 sure well I would say and just kind of 1445 00:57:13,609 --> 00:57:12,180 speaks to this idea of never being fully 1446 00:57:16,370 --> 00:57:13,619 certain of what you're communicating 1447 00:57:18,349 --> 00:57:16,380 with right and I think that as I've done 1448 00:57:20,690 --> 00:57:18,359 now thousands and thousands of readings 1449 00:57:22,849 --> 00:57:20,700 I've had my own questions it seems that 1450 00:57:24,829 --> 00:57:22,859 at least in my case what I do is only 1451 00:57:26,990 --> 00:57:24,839 made possible by these things that I 1452 00:57:28,370 --> 00:57:27,000 call my guides I don't consider what I 1453 00:57:30,049 --> 00:57:28,380 have to be a gift I don't even 1454 00:57:32,390 --> 00:57:30,059 necessarily view what I do to be 1455 00:57:34,490 --> 00:57:32,400 inherent to me as much as it is inherent 1456 00:57:36,410 --> 00:57:34,500 to them who have followed me throughout 1457 00:57:38,930 --> 00:57:36,420 my life and without them I would be 1458 00:57:40,069 --> 00:57:38,940 nothing so uh yeah there's certainly 1459 00:57:41,809 --> 00:57:40,079 something to be said about the questions 1460 00:57:43,849 --> 00:57:41,819 that presents and naturally I've 1461 00:57:47,089 --> 00:57:43,859 considered non-human intelligence as 1462 00:57:48,710 --> 00:57:47,099 being of something there that is 1463 00:57:51,829 --> 00:57:48,720 responsible 1464 00:57:53,450 --> 00:57:51,839 you know I think Diana paselka uh wrote 1465 00:57:56,329 --> 00:57:53,460 American Cosmic kind of went through a 1466 00:57:59,329 --> 00:57:56,339 moment like this where she realized that 1467 00:58:02,510 --> 00:57:59,339 the the Divine ecstasies that she was 1468 00:58:06,109 --> 00:58:02,520 studying of the Saints had similarities 1469 00:58:09,530 --> 00:58:06,119 to so-called UFO experiences and then 1470 00:58:11,569 --> 00:58:09,540 she explored that I mean science uh is 1471 00:58:14,210 --> 00:58:11,579 uh or anything is all about looking for 1472 00:58:16,910 --> 00:58:14,220 parallels and those parallels help you 1473 00:58:18,710 --> 00:58:16,920 create let's say a mathematical set of 1474 00:58:20,150 --> 00:58:18,720 principles that are more General that 1475 00:58:21,770 --> 00:58:20,160 that can explain more things I mean 1476 00:58:23,210 --> 00:58:21,780 frankly that's what that's what 1477 00:58:24,890 --> 00:58:23,220 physicists are looking for The Theory of 1478 00:58:26,990 --> 00:58:24,900 Everything You know I remember the 1479 00:58:30,950 --> 00:58:27,000 moment in time when I was looking at UFO 1480 00:58:34,329 --> 00:58:30,960 stuff and then realizing oh my God this 1481 00:58:38,270 --> 00:58:34,339 is somehow related to mediums and 1482 00:58:40,309 --> 00:58:38,280 poltergeists and uh I wait I just I just 1483 00:58:42,549 --> 00:58:40,319 believed in all of this I can't believe 1484 00:58:46,190 --> 00:58:42,559 in all of that 1485 00:58:48,109 --> 00:58:46,200 you know and then we've all been there 1486 00:58:50,089 --> 00:58:48,119 it's kind of like okay it's but it's 1487 00:58:52,730 --> 00:58:50,099 it's it's a relationship it's not a 1488 00:58:54,170 --> 00:58:52,740 truth that it's the same and so 1489 00:58:55,430 --> 00:58:54,180 um it doesn't mean that they're the same 1490 00:58:58,069 --> 00:58:55,440 it just means that there are 1491 00:59:01,370 --> 00:58:59,750 absolutely 1492 00:59:03,530 --> 00:59:01,380 I just want to give a quick shout out 1493 00:59:05,089 --> 00:59:03,540 here to Science Bob thank you Bob thank 1494 00:59:07,670 --> 00:59:05,099 you says congratulations Vinnie and 1495 00:59:10,130 --> 00:59:07,680 Katie what a wonderful panel and topics 1496 00:59:12,109 --> 00:59:10,140 thank you so much Bob we love you 1497 00:59:13,549 --> 00:59:12,119 now Gary would be remiss of me and I 1498 00:59:16,510 --> 00:59:13,559 would get brutalized in the UFO 1499 00:59:18,950 --> 00:59:16,520 Community if I didn't ask 1500 00:59:20,690 --> 00:59:18,960 you always seem to I know you always 1501 00:59:23,030 --> 00:59:20,700 seem to have the 1502 00:59:24,470 --> 00:59:23,040 um conversations behind the scenes and 1503 00:59:27,170 --> 00:59:24,480 recently we've heard in clings of 1504 00:59:28,849 --> 00:59:27,180 potential new public hearings and I just 1505 00:59:31,250 --> 00:59:28,859 wondered if there was anything you could 1506 00:59:33,109 --> 00:59:31,260 you know tell us about that have you 1507 00:59:35,930 --> 00:59:33,119 heard anything behind the scenes well I 1508 00:59:37,430 --> 00:59:35,940 mean behind the scenes yes uh they're 1509 00:59:38,690 --> 00:59:37,440 you know but I mean I don't even have to 1510 00:59:41,630 --> 00:59:38,700 go behind the scenes I mean it's public 1511 00:59:44,390 --> 00:59:41,640 information now that several of the 1512 00:59:45,950 --> 00:59:44,400 Congress people have talked openly about 1513 00:59:49,190 --> 00:59:45,960 you know literally going to the speaker 1514 00:59:51,170 --> 00:59:49,200 of the house uh McCarthy and and asking 1515 00:59:52,789 --> 00:59:51,180 for these open hearings 1516 00:59:54,230 --> 00:59:52,799 um you know we all know that some of the 1517 00:59:57,289 --> 00:59:54,240 whistleblowers have stepped forward and 1518 00:59:59,450 --> 00:59:57,299 done all of this and uh and and talked 1519 01:00:02,930 --> 00:59:59,460 about this and you know I mean I have a 1520 01:00:05,690 --> 01:00:02,940 I have a letter signed by 12 senators 1521 01:00:08,030 --> 01:00:05,700 saying you know we're doing this right I 1522 01:00:09,829 --> 01:00:08,040 mean I I know as well behind the scenes 1523 01:00:14,210 --> 01:00:09,839 of some of the heads of the intelligence 1524 01:00:16,190 --> 01:00:14,220 agencies and DOD who've literally said 1525 01:00:18,950 --> 01:00:16,200 I won't repeat it because I've been 1526 01:00:21,410 --> 01:00:18,960 asked not to but some astounding 1527 01:00:26,890 --> 01:00:21,420 astounding conclusions 1528 01:00:31,670 --> 01:00:29,089 he's a very good he's a very good 1529 01:00:33,650 --> 01:00:31,680 colleague has a fantastic basically cure 1530 01:00:36,109 --> 01:00:33,660 for some cancers 1531 01:00:39,349 --> 01:00:36,119 um so you can you can pick up the phone 1532 01:00:43,010 --> 01:00:39,359 it's okay no it's okay we've known each 1533 01:00:45,710 --> 01:00:43,020 other for 40 years he can wait 1534 01:00:47,990 --> 01:00:45,720 um so you know I think that I think 1535 01:00:50,990 --> 01:00:48,000 people just need to look three months 1536 01:00:53,870 --> 01:00:51,000 ago as to how far it's come and just 1537 01:00:56,270 --> 01:00:53,880 take heart in the knowledge that there's 1538 01:00:58,910 --> 01:00:56,280 a lot of people who have who have 1539 01:01:00,109 --> 01:00:58,920 crossed over that threshold of wanting 1540 01:01:01,670 --> 01:01:00,119 to move it forward 1541 01:01:04,329 --> 01:01:01,680 you know but I mean back to this 1542 01:01:07,430 --> 01:01:04,339 conversation here 1543 01:01:10,370 --> 01:01:07,440 everybody involved knows that it's not 1544 01:01:12,589 --> 01:01:10,380 just the nuts and bolts and yet we're 1545 01:01:14,329 --> 01:01:12,599 we're being very careful not dancing too 1546 01:01:15,770 --> 01:01:14,339 far over that line because it was scared 1547 01:01:17,030 --> 01:01:15,780 of the Jesus 1548 01:01:22,250 --> 01:01:17,040 out of 1549 01:01:24,950 --> 01:01:22,260 um if it gets too deep into the womb 1550 01:01:28,930 --> 01:01:24,960 you know and so and yet all of us know 1551 01:01:31,010 --> 01:01:28,940 that the Woo is just around the corner 1552 01:01:33,670 --> 01:01:31,020 they can find that out on their own 1553 01:01:36,170 --> 01:01:33,680 later they can find it yeah 1554 01:01:37,549 --> 01:01:36,180 I appreciate you answering that I like I 1555 01:01:40,250 --> 01:01:37,559 said I would have got crucified if I 1556 01:01:44,390 --> 01:01:40,260 didn't at least to try so thank you so 1557 01:01:48,890 --> 01:01:46,190 I'm going to ask you one more follow-up 1558 01:01:52,069 --> 01:01:48,900 question though please please do 1559 01:01:53,809 --> 01:01:52,079 last time we we found out that you may 1560 01:01:56,870 --> 01:01:53,819 have been involved in some prep 1561 01:01:58,910 --> 01:01:56,880 materials you may have helped Mike 1562 01:02:01,370 --> 01:01:58,920 Gallagher find out about the Wilson 1563 01:02:02,630 --> 01:02:01,380 Davis memo which got entered into the 1564 01:02:04,970 --> 01:02:02,640 record 1565 01:02:07,130 --> 01:02:04,980 um can you say if you will be 1566 01:02:10,190 --> 01:02:07,140 participating in any sort of briefings 1567 01:02:12,109 --> 01:02:10,200 or providing white papers to any members 1568 01:02:14,270 --> 01:02:12,119 of Congress beforehand 1569 01:02:16,730 --> 01:02:14,280 I just shouldn't say anything 1570 01:02:18,289 --> 01:02:16,740 okay I've been asked you know I mean I 1571 01:02:19,549 --> 01:02:18,299 think people can infer exactly what I 1572 01:02:20,990 --> 01:02:19,559 mean when I say that 1573 01:02:23,870 --> 01:02:21,000 so 1574 01:02:26,930 --> 01:02:23,880 um you know uh I I am I am certainly not 1575 01:02:29,750 --> 01:02:26,940 Central to the ongoing narrative uh and 1576 01:02:32,150 --> 01:02:29,760 it could happen and continue without me 1577 01:02:35,770 --> 01:02:32,160 um to the extent that I can help I'm 1578 01:02:40,010 --> 01:02:38,450 yeah thank you I'm gonna give a quick 1579 01:02:41,930 --> 01:02:40,020 shout out here to Jordan flowers Jordan 1580 01:02:44,030 --> 01:02:41,940 says sending my gratitude to all of you 1581 01:02:45,470 --> 01:02:44,040 for helping to advance this topic in a 1582 01:02:47,809 --> 01:02:45,480 thoughtful constructive and 1583 01:02:48,829 --> 01:02:47,819 multi-disciplinary way thank you so much 1584 01:02:50,930 --> 01:02:48,839 Jordan 1585 01:02:53,270 --> 01:02:50,940 um we try our best and we love having 1586 01:02:55,309 --> 01:02:53,280 these conversations 1587 01:02:57,109 --> 01:02:55,319 um I think before we end I think Tyler 1588 01:02:59,569 --> 01:02:57,119 if you don't mind just telling us what 1589 01:03:01,370 --> 01:02:59,579 have you got coming up next oh my 1590 01:03:03,049 --> 01:03:01,380 goodness well I recently had a show on 1591 01:03:05,390 --> 01:03:03,059 Netflix come out called life after death 1592 01:03:08,329 --> 01:03:05,400 I travel the country and do group 1593 01:03:10,250 --> 01:03:08,339 readings now we're at 32 cities uh in a 1594 01:03:11,569 --> 01:03:10,260 single year so I feel so thankful to be 1595 01:03:13,910 --> 01:03:11,579 able to connect to people not only on 1596 01:03:16,430 --> 01:03:13,920 UFO Twitter I'm on Instagram all on 1597 01:03:18,530 --> 01:03:16,440 socials and it's so special to be able 1598 01:03:20,750 --> 01:03:18,540 to hear all the different approaches and 1599 01:03:22,430 --> 01:03:20,760 beliefs and I feel really thankful to 1600 01:03:23,829 --> 01:03:22,440 even have been considered today so thank 1601 01:03:26,690 --> 01:03:23,839 you for having me 1602 01:03:28,309 --> 01:03:26,700 same pleasure absolute pleasure thank 1603 01:03:30,829 --> 01:03:28,319 you both we're grateful you both took 1604 01:03:33,230 --> 01:03:30,839 the time yeah of course yeah absolutely 1605 01:03:34,970 --> 01:03:33,240 and to everybody in the live chat thank 1606 01:03:37,670 --> 01:03:34,980 you so much for being here are really 1607 01:03:40,370 --> 01:03:37,680 always means the world to us to to have 1608 01:03:43,549 --> 01:03:40,380 you here showing your support asking 1609 01:03:45,470 --> 01:03:43,559 such brilliant questions and just yeah 1610 01:03:47,089 --> 01:03:45,480 just just being here is enough so thank 1611 01:03:48,470 --> 01:03:47,099 you so much 1612 01:03:49,849 --> 01:03:48,480 um Gary and Tyler if you don't mind just 1613 01:03:52,430 --> 01:03:49,859 hanging around do we just have a two 1614 01:03:53,750 --> 01:03:52,440 minute debrief afterwards guys thank you 1615 01:03:56,450 --> 01:03:53,760 again I'm going to be back next week 1616 01:03:58,010 --> 01:03:56,460 with Dr David Clark please tune in then 1617 01:04:00,589 --> 01:03:58,020 look at all the social medias for the 1618 01:04:02,690 --> 01:04:00,599 dates and times but for now thank you 1619 01:04:05,150 --> 01:04:02,700 once again Tyler Gary and of course